Piff Coast Farms

Pi$tol

Pi$tol

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THT said:
I respect what you are doing believe me. I want the same things too. The problem is that this cut will likely hurt your reputation as people start growing it out with high expectations. Any connoisseur will take the 100 day flower any day if it means the flavor comes along, I also don't think growing this plant differently is going to change the outcome substantially enough to consider it an elite cut. I have another tent full of it mid way through flower to experiment with.
I think flower times should be secondary. staying true to the haze you are trying to bring back should be primary, I hate to sound like a guy who just wasted 4-5 months rooting clones and setting up with this strain in my very limited grow space - but it is what it is, if it was the first time I'd been let down by someone claiming to have the haze it wouldn't be so bad but I also ran Top Dawgs uptown brown, and Doc D's Band-Aid haze, I at least expected a widely shared cut to hold the key. The search continues I suppose.
I appreciate the reply.
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@THT appreciate your honesty first and foremost. I also have the clone through PCG. I haven't flowered it out yet so I haven't taken the ride yet. Question what was your grow style? I think I'm do hydroponics first with it. As always thank you for the feedback
 
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Senokai

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THT said:
I respect what you are doing believe me. I want the same things too. The problem is that this cut will likely hurt your reputation as people start growing it out with high expectations. Any connoisseur will take the 100 day flower any day if it means the flavor comes along, I also don't think growing this plant differently is going to change the outcome substantially enough to consider it an elite cut. I have another tent full of it mid way through flower to experiment with.
I think flower times should be secondary. staying true to the haze you are trying to bring back should be primary, I hate to sound like a guy who just wasted 4-5 months rooting clones and setting up with this strain in my very limited grow space - but it is what it is, if it was the first time I'd been let down by someone claiming to have the haze it wouldn't be so bad but I also ran Top Dawgs uptown brown, and Doc D's Band-Aid haze, I at least expected a widely shared cut to hold the key. The search continues I suppose.
I appreciate the reply.
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Im going to have to agree with @THT on this one. The flavor isn't there with the PC3 and anyone who has had it knows just how powerful the flavor was. That is the truest benchmark of the Piff. Now, I do believe that it is inline with the genetic family where the Piff came from. Some of the smells are there while its growing and it can't be denied. But, its not as advertised and well Im kind of disappointed. Not knocking Piffcoast Farms there could be a day where infact it gets worked and restored to its former infamy. PC3 cut is not it though.
 
THT

THT

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Pi$tol said:
@THT appreciate your honesty first and foremost. I also have the clone through PCG. I haven't flowered it out yet so I haven't taken the ride yet. Question what was your grow style? I think I'm do hydroponics first with it. As always thank you for the feedback
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I am in DWC, I use botanicare pure blend pro grow and bloom and that's it, my tap is about 200PPM so I rarely need any additional cal/mag.
This cut starts to fade around the 50-60 day mark and needs a boost of N if you plan to keep it going to 75 days.
 
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Piffcoastfarms

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THT said:
I respect what you are doing believe me. I want the same things too. The problem is that this cut will likely hurt your reputation as people start growing it out with high expectations. Any connoisseur will take the 100 day flower any day if it means the flavor comes along, I also don't think growing this plant differently is going to change the outcome substantially enough to consider it an elite cut. I have another tent full of it mid way through flower to experiment with.
I think flower times should be secondary. staying true to the haze you are trying to bring back should be primary, I hate to sound like a guy who just wasted 4-5 months rooting clones and setting up with this strain in my very limited grow space - but it is what it is, if it was the first time I'd been let down by someone claiming to have the haze it wouldn't be so bad but I also ran Top Dawgs uptown brown, and Doc D's Band-Aid haze, I at least expected a widely shared cut to hold the key. The search continues I suppose.
I appreciate the reply.
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It’s been circulating on the east coast for a few more years than pcg had it, and there’s some guys in Maine running full tables of it they liked it so much. I get about 80% people saying they love it and 20% saying they don’t. So really everyone has a different perspective. I’m not too worried about a hurt reputation at all, because it’s still more piffy than anything else on the market and that’s just the beginning. The pc3 cuts definitely geared more towards commercial growers though. If you want the long flowering pcg also has the cbh which is a tried and true old clone that’s been around since 89. Again, I’ve seen great samples of black and terrible ones. It is 30 years old and there are recipes the Dominicans and Cubans have been using to get it to fully express. They say the cut come cheap but the recipe is what you really gotta pay for. It does wonderful in my living soil, and most other growers usually get it dialed by the 3rd run. If you can grab the cbh cheap enough, give it a shot and run it the full 92+
 
Pi$tol

Pi$tol

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THT said:
I am in DWC, I use botanicare pure blend pro grow and bloom and that's it, my tap is about 200PPM so I rarely need any additional cal/mag.
This cut starts to fade around the 50-60 day mark and needs a boost of N if you plan to keep it going to 75 days.
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Thanks brother I'm going do dwc also then follow up with living soil and see the difference. I also grabbed the Cuban Haze so I'm see what that do too. Ive smoked on @Piffcoastfarms PC3 flowers brought at PiffCon it wasn't cured right and dry but the flavor was there and definitely had the smell.
 
THT

THT

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Pi$tol said:
the flavor was there
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Glad to hear it. I've been missing that flavor since like 2004-2005.
I'll be pretty surprised if there's a huge difference between hydro and soil, not much is truly understood about encouraging terpene production in plants, there's a lot of theories though. I used to grow in soil and I've never had to dial in a plant to produce flavors in either medium, it's always seemed to be dependent on genetics. Can't wait to see your results, I know a few other folks growing it in soil too.
 
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Crunchyjeezy

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SimpleBox said:
The best. I’d love to know what that was. Any luck?
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^^^^^ that's THE one I'm looking for and haven't been able to find a solid lead on it either. My sister used to run a candle business on the side and I remember clear as day that frankincense smell. Dead on 100%. It didn't look all that special though and tbh I don't think the name helped. This was down south around the time purps were starting to take off so it didn't catch on here and I never saw another pack of it again. Got lost in a sea of urkles and bubbas lol
 
neutrinomatt

neutrinomatt

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SimpleBox said:
The best. I’d love to know what that was. Any luck?
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Crunchyjeezy said:
^^^^^ that's THE one I'm looking for and haven't been able to find a solid lead on it either. My sister used to run a candle business on the side and I remember clear as day that frankincense smell. Dead on 100%. It didn't look all that special though and tbh I don't think the name helped. This was down south around the time purps were starting to take off so it didn't catch on here and I never saw another pack of it again. Got lost in a sea of urkles and bubbas lol
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im willing to bet it was cuban black haze. church like piff was a slang term that got applied to specific strains of haze.
 
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SimpleBox

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neutrinomatt said:
im willing to bet it was cuban black haze. church like piff was a slang term that got applied to specific strains of haze.
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I was smoking ‘church’ and it disappeared and then ‘piff’ entered the scene but it didn’t have the frankincense smell. It wasn’t on the same level as ‘church’ IMO.
Cant believe ’church’ wasn’t preserved.
I asked AKBB if he had info on frankincense haze but didn’t get any feedback.
 
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Piffcoastfarms

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SimpleBox said:
I was smoking ‘church’ and it disappeared and then ‘piff’ entered the scene but it didn’t have the frankincense smell. It wasn’t on the same level as ‘church’ IMO.
Cant believe ’church’ wasn’t preserved.
I asked AKBB if he had info on frankincense haze but didn’t get any feedback.
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Maybe you’re looking for what they referred to as the pepperhead. Or the Frankie’s. popular late 80s to mid 90s hazes that were around a bit before dipset and all them started calling all the hazes “piff” I’m too young to have smoked it but from all the stories I hear they were great ones
 
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BigGreenThumb

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SimpleBox said:
The best. I’d love to know what that was. Any luck?
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No luck here.. I picked up a clone of Piffcoast Tres Haze, which is Cuban Black Haze x Tres Dawg. I have one plant that I honestly am not too happy with, not that the strain or genetics are bad, I’m still giving it the benefit of the doubt and will be running some cuts I took of it soon… I had some issues in veg and also think I’m in an undersized pot for the size of the plant.. the smell certainly isn’t “churchy” by any means… more lemony/piney I’d say.. a very littttle bit of that “soapy” flavor.
My buddy recently bought a pack of “Holy Communion” seeds (also from Piffcoast) and when it’s ready I’m going to take a cut to flower out. Won’t be for a good while but I’ll post back once i get a taste..
 
neutrinomatt

neutrinomatt

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Piffcoastfarms said:
Maybe you’re looking for what they referred to as the pepperhead. Or the Frankie’s. popular late 80s to mid 90s hazes that were around a bit before dipset and all them started calling all the hazes “piff” I’m too young to have smoked it but from all the stories I hear they were great ones
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i had the pepperhead a bunch and honestly wasnt a fan. it was fine but not nearly as good of a high or flavor as the piffy ones. this was when they were all still mostly called haze and you had to ask what kind of haze it was specifically if you wanted to know.
SimpleBox said:
I was smoking ‘church’ and it disappeared and then ‘piff’ entered the scene but it didn’t have the frankincense smell. It wasn’t on the same level as ‘church’ IMO.
Cant believe ’church’ wasn’t preserved.
I asked AKBB if he had info on frankincense haze but didn’t get any feedback.
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heres the thing though.. when the name "change" happened it was a bit of a process and by the time it made it to you, you probably got piff s1 as piff, or some other haze that smelled funkier. theyre much muskier and different and not all of them have the incense. even if they do, the other stuff overpowers it a bit.

cuban black haze is extremely frankincensey and i would seriously recommend a second look at this plant as it sounds exactly what you described in your previous post, even the look of it.
 
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Crunchyjeezy

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SimpleBox said:
I was smoking ‘church’ and it disappeared and then ‘piff’ entered the scene but it didn’t have the frankincense smell. It wasn’t on the same level as ‘church’ IMO.
Cant believe ’church’ wasn’t preserved.
I asked AKBB if he had info on frankincense haze but didn’t get any feedback.
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Yeah idk about all these other names "piff" was never a thing down here. What I can say for certain is what fell into my hands at the time was labeled as Church. Cant recall what the ticket was but wasn't the most expensive in my lineup. Smell carried over in the smoke and filled the whole room with that candle scent as you burned it. Soaring uplifting high for days. Unlike anything I've ever come across since
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tckfui

tckfui

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Didn't read the whole thread but I grew up smoking haze (later to be called piff) in NYC in the early 2000s. It's definitely different from Frankie's, but I don't have a clear memory of Frankie's as it wasn't as common in my circle. Haze was the daily smoke for many years.
Met piffcoast himself at an event and the piff was legit! Not 100% the same appearance wise (not as "stringy") but flavor and effect wise it's 99% there! The sours was legit too! I didn't get to smoke the sours but the smell was spot on.
I just copped his sours f2 seeds and I'm so hype to run them next crop!
The Haze is such a great day smoke, it gets the ppl going!
Much love and respect for piffcoast! Even saw him post that one strain is prone to herm which I really respect. Especially after dealing with Inhouse genetics blaming users every single time
 
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