Plant Moisture Stress - Symptoms and Solutions

hangshai

hangshai

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Hey, Uncle ben, Ive got another question for you. I am planning on making a box for mother plants. I plan on having it roughly 2 foot deep, 3 foot wide, and maybe 3 foot tall. I plan on building it out of 2x4s and plywood, just like a shoebox. Anyway, the goal is to have a box I can seal, with two to four 2' t5 lights, and about 8 plants in 1 gallon pots. Ive built a similar box for clones, so this is just something on a bigger scale. Do you think it sounds feasible, or is there an easier way to go about what I am doing?

I want to keep mothers, but I dont have much room for a totally different setup for them. This would be a low cost way to keep mother plants alive until I needed them for cuttings. I have added a picture of one of my boxes so you can sort of get the idea. This is a box I made for clones, so, something sort of like this, but bigger...

Or, on the other hand, if you can maybe suggest a better.alternative way I could keep about 8 plants in 1 gallon pots going. Id like to have it be sort of portable and enclosed, so if I were to place it in or near my garden it wont have any light pollution if I were to be in flower, etc. Im sure you get the idea, sorry, I have a tendency to over explain things when Im high... :) Anyway, thanks a lot for all your help, I really appreciate having someone to get some feedback from.
 

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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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hangshai said:
Hey, Uncle ben, Ive got another question for you. I am planning on making a box for mother plants. I plan on having it roughly 2 foot deep, 3 foot wide, and maybe 3 foot tall.
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Since garden footprints aren't fixed, I won't do cabinets. If you're driven by a security issue....good luck.
 
i81two

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i have 1000w spaced every 2'. They get pretty hot. Its winter right now but come summer i am going to run ac thru them.
 
businessmen

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I guess thats pretty good with all that light huh?! Are they into flower yet? Or is that your veg room with moms? I wouldnt pull of any branches til theyre in the first weeks of flower. You want those branches for energy for the plant to grow as you know. Then when theyre dense as hell and the bottom branches are in shadows I pull some off, cus I crowd as many as freakin possible. That looks real sparce, your pruning for a SOG, I'd put 10 times as many plants in.
 
i81two

i81two

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2 weeks into flower.

Yes it is sparce but that was all i had ready to go and i didnt want to wait any longer, if you know what i mean. I had a fungus gnat prob that kicked the shit out of my clones. It set me back. But that is taken care of and im getting the troops together. I wish i could put 10x that in but im trying to stay legal. The Papaya grew like a climer all over the place so thats where the LP idea came from. Last crop we let them grow wild with a little pruning. Lots of golg ball sized buds with 1 nice cola. This time we figured we give a semi-lolipop a try and see how it works.
 
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DocBud

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Hey UB.

I'm getting ready to do a grow using Time released fertilizer, like Nutricote or Osmocote. I mostly grow in straight perlite, but can certainly mix up some soil if need be....I just like the cleanliness of perlite.

What's your take on Time released ferts, specifically this one?

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS 18-5-13
TOTAL NITROGEN (N) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00%
2.30% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
2.30% Urea Nitrogen
5.30% Other Water Soluble Nitrogen**
8.10% Water Insoluble Nitrogen
AVAILABLE PHOSPHATE (P2O5) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.00%
SOLUBLE POTASH (K2O) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13.00%
MAGNESIUM (Mg) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.20%
1.20% Water Soluble Magnesium
SULFUR (S) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.50%
6.50% Combined Sulfur
BORON (B) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.02%
COPPER (Cu) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.05%
0.05% Water Soluble Copper
IRON (Fe) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.20%
0.20% Water Soluble Iron
0.10% Chelated Iron
MANGANESE (Mn) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.08%
0.08% Water Soluble Manganese
MOLYBDENUM (Mo) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.02%
Derived from: Methylene urea, ammonium sulfate, ammonium
phosphate, potassium sulfate, magnesium sulfate, ferrous sulfate,
iron EDTA, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, boric acid and
sodium molybdate.
** 4.2% slowly available water soluble nitrogen from methylene
diurea and dimethylenetriurea.
 
riddleme

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DocBud said:
Hey UB.

I'm getting ready to do a grow using Time released fertilizer, like Nutricote or Osmocote. I mostly grow in straight perlite, but can certainly mix up some soil if need be....I just like the cleanliness of perlite.

What's your take on Time released ferts, .
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Time released = loss of control
 
Uncle Ben

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i81two said:
UB, To bump up the N i used Old Age 1/2 strength 12-6-6.

What do you think ?
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Should be fine.

DocBud said:
Hey UB.

I'm getting ready to do a grow using Time released fertilizer, like Nutricote or Osmocote. I mostly grow in straight perlite, but can certainly mix up some soil if need be....I just like the cleanliness of perlite.

What's your take on Time released ferts, specifically this one?

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS 18-5-13
TOTAL NITROGEN (N) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 18.00%
2.30% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
2.30% Urea Nitrogen
5.30% Other Water Soluble Nitrogen**
8.10% Water Insoluble Nitrogen
AVAILABLE PHOSPHATE (P2O5) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.00%
SOLUBLE POTASH (K2O) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13.00%
MAGNESIUM (Mg) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.20%
1.20% Water Soluble Magnesium
SULFUR (S) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.50%
6.50% Combined Sulfur
BORON (B) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.02%
COPPER (Cu) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.05%
0.05% Water Soluble Copper
IRON (Fe) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.20%
0.20% Water Soluble Iron
0.10% Chelated Iron
MANGANESE (Mn) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.08%
0.08% Water Soluble Manganese
MOLYBDENUM (Mo) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.02%
Derived from: Methylene urea, ammonium sulfate, ammonium
phosphate, potassium sulfate, magnesium sulfate, ferrous sulfate,
iron EDTA, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, boric acid and
sodium molybdate.
** 4.2% slowly available water soluble nitrogen from methylene
diurea and dimethylenetriurea.
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Encapsulated foods such as that are great and produce really nice results. That's a great formula. I use a similar product by Harrell's, a 18-4-9 with micros. 50 lbs., $47.00 Add that with some compost enriched soil and you have a winner, if all else is in balance.

Plants do best with a slow and constant release of salts.
 
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DocBud

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Uncle Ben said:
Should be fine.




Encapsulated foods such as that are great and produce really nice results. That's a great formula. I use a similar product by Harrell's, a 18-4-9 with micros. 50 lbs., $47.00 Add that with some compost enriched soil and you have a winner, if all else is in balance.

Plants do best with a slow and constant release of salts.
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Do you top dress your containers, or mix it in with the soil?

Also, I usually grow in perlite. Would you plese comment on using a product like this in perlite.

Thanks UB!
 
i81two

i81two

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Uncle Ben said:
Should be fine.




Encapsulated foods such as that are great and produce really nice results. That's a great formula. I use a similar product by Harrell's, a 18-4-9 with micros. 50 lbs., $47.00 Add that with some compost enriched soil and you have a winner, if all else is in balance.

Plants do best with a slow and constant release of salts.
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Thanks UB.
How long do you think before i see results.
This is driving me crazy. I feel like im giving a great envirnment. Everything is nice and geen and growing/budding but still the curling. Its not on all the leaves but enough.
Should i worry?
I will take some better pics tonight after lights go off.
 
hangshai

hangshai

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Uncle Ben said:
Since garden footprints aren't fixed, I won't do cabinets. If you're driven by a security issue....good luck.
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No its not security. I have a two car garage that is sectioned off, one side is my garden. I have tarps around the garden section (three layers thick) and I think I can I can set up a minimal veg garden on the other side with some low wattage stuff (fluorescent and the like). I am planning on moving, but I am going to probably keep the same setup I have now, with my one garden, and if I have enough space in the next place, I will set up a mother/veg garden. So, mainly its about portability, and also not letting the light pollute the other garden when it is in flower, and the mommas are still under 18/6. Does that give you a little more you can hopefully work with?

edit - I have seen those pre-fab mother cabinets that are totally self-contained and enclosed. Im thinking something like that, but maybe that I can build myslef instead of spending hundreds of dollars on it.
 
Uncle Ben

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DocBud said:
Do you top dress your containers, or mix it in with the soil?

Also, I usually grow in perlite. Would you plese comment on using a product like this in perlite.

Thanks UB!
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Top dress. You'll have to use something like Dyna-Gro for perlite.

hangshai said:
No its not security.

edit - I have seen those pre-fab mother cabinets that are totally self-contained and enclosed. Im thinking something like that, but maybe that I can build myslef instead of spending hundreds of dollars on it.
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I just don't like the restrictions of a cabinet. If you can't move the side walls to adjust to the changing footprint, then you're in for logistical problems.

UB
 
i81two

i81two

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i81two said:
Thanks UB.
How long do you think before i see results.
This is driving me crazy. I feel like im giving a great envirnment. Everything is nice and geen and growing/budding but still the curling. Its not on all the leaves but enough.
Should i worry?
I will take some better pics tonight after lights go off.
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I hope u can see what im talking about in these pics.
 

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The sparcity of them can cause the curling ?

So as the buds develope more foliage will be produced wich will help ?
 
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