Plants are driving me nuts!!,,please help!(photos)

graffinks

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hey,i need some help with these plants,ive set up with a 400w hps light,im using perlite and handf water it 2 to 3 times a day(flood and drain),,latley ive noticed that the plants were not growing as quick as they were and it looked like there was a nutreint def,,im using mother earth organic grow tea,ive been trying to figure out how much i feed them,,changing the amounts week to week in acord to whats on the label,i have watered them reciently when i thought there was a mg def,but since it has not gotten any better,old leaves remain green,all new leaves are turning pale yellow,,please have a look at these photos and help me out,,,thanks;)


 

surfnsk8er

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look for a page with plant problems on here i believe. i've seen pics on their that look exactly like yours do...exactly....so u can deff. diagnose the problem from there. it might be magnesium but look for yourself i'm a pothead and memory isnt too great:joint:
 

graffinks

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cheers,,thats what i thought last week,ive watered with epsom salts and its still gotten worse,any sugestions?:-?
 

Luke

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is that tin foil on your walls?Remove it if it is.Tin foil is for baking.Your most probably cooking your plant to death
 

Luke

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You might want to try a multi vitiman.Had same problem @ 2 weeks ago.My soil was a tad alkaline,so i added some sweet lime & a centrium vit for women.they have more iron and zinc.its working for me.
 

mrskitz

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they look heat stressed for a start,raise the light a little.,,the yellowing leaves could be nitrogen deficiency,and yes remove any foil from ya grow room..peace
 

Luke

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got any better pics.It doesnt look like a mg defecienci.I think maybe fe,mn or zinc.Did you do a ph test?R u growing in soil or hydro?
 

Luke

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what kind of lights r u using????Dude mite be right.lights could b too close to the plants.
 

longflight420

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dont try feeding anything first find out your soil temp get a indoor/outdoor thermometer if you use that multi vitamin youll see them turn green quick so find your temp stick the outdoor wire into soil, i agree with sufnsk8er and luke
i had the same look and did all kinds of stuff It just hurt my crop lost some very nice Black domina plants only 1 survived now i cant get them anymore
 

graffinks

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cheers guys,,the ph is checked daily and its at 6.5,im using perlite,latley ive watered it with 10ml motherearth organic tea,i was thinking mabye i overdone it on the nutrients?,ive flushed it today and watered them with a mild all purpose fertilizer,,im at my wits end here,really dont want them to get any worse!!,,as we speak,,the tinfoil is in the garbage!!;)
 

graffinks

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should i just flush them with water and leave them for a while?,,and how do i mix these vitimin tablets?,,do i mix them with just water or with nutrients too?,,ill check the temp tomorrow,,gotta pick up a gauge!,cheers,thanks!
 

graffinks

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i just took some better photos,mabye these will help?any more sugestions would be much appreciated?,thanks



 

sk3tch3

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they look heat stressed, locked out and, some sort of root issue (the rust colord spots) usually caused by over watering. they look N def not Mg/Cal caused from lock out. start with a water with a low ppm (RO water) and give micros at about 200ppm for couple weeks. then start upping the N.
 

graffinks

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thanks guys,,thinking of it now i think you could be right,,i had the light about half a metre from the plants,now i have it about a meter and a bit,they have been through some stress since seed,but hopefully this should make a difference,thanks again;)
 

notsonuts

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dont try feeding anything first find out your soil temp get a indoor/outdoor thermometer if you use that multi vitamin youll see them turn green quick so find your temp stick the outdoor wire into soil, i agree with sufnsk8er and luke
i had the same look and did all kinds of stuff It just hurt my crop lost some very nice Black domina plants only 1 survived now i cant get them anymore
try hindu kush xblack domina-willy jack seeds,you will totally enjoy!!!!! think that Toronto 420 seed bank has them now as willy jack seeds has been shut down for a period!also black domina is sold by them for the Ontario seed bank.
 

Knally

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If it is an Iron problem (see pic below), this might help.

Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element


Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...


Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.

To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.



Problems with Iron being locked out by PH troubles
Over watering, pests nematodes, not enough drainage, like not enough perlite. High ph, Soils with low iron, High Phosphorus, Excess Zinc, manganese or copper.



Soil

Iron gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 4.0-6.5 (Wouldn’t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an Iron Deficiency.



Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Iron gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 6.0 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an iron deficiency.




Solution to fixing a Iron deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Iron deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water can work well. Other supplements that have Iron in them are: Iron chelates, Ferric oxide, Ferrous oxide, Ferrous sulfate, all of these are fast absorption. Greensand, Cottonseed Meal is slow absorption, Garden Manure, which is medium absorption. Manure is most common organic iron source to use.


Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.




Picture 2-3 is a more severe case of iron def


 

sk3tch3

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can you site your refrences please? not just copy and paste... put a link where you obtained it. not only to help others elaborate, but also to give credit where credit is do. also the pic doesnt work.

If the plant is locked out, THEN it will not be able to uptake food. whether it be N, P, K or micros for that matter.

more severe cases locking out water absorbtion as well

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Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.
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besides that ph is very inportant and will lock out any and all food if not in propper range for veg and bloom.
 
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