Please HELP DIAGNOSE my DYING NL PLANTS!

Poon69

Poon69

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Hi, Please help! My plants look as though they are beginning to DIE! They are approx 3 weeks old and were transplanted a week ago into WEST ADVANCED+ Soil. I think the problem I'm experiencing is nute burn, but i really have no idea. As much help as possible would be appreciated.

I have not been adding any nutes to the soil at all, but I believe the soil I transferred into has ALOT of nutes in it. Perhaps the wrong kind.

I've also seen a few pictures which suggest it could be burn from the lights, but I think this is less likely. 600w light is about a metre away and temp stays constant at around 26C (80F) through day and night with 24 light.

The leaves are going very wrinkly and my plant has been wilting for about a week. I'm positive it isn't lack of water or overwatering as I let them dry for 4 days and then gave them a real good watering and let it run off. About 10 gallons each (they're in 5 gallon pots).

The tips of the leaves have now begun starting to dry out and crisp and are turning yellow in spots. The yellowing is also appearing on the leaves and the leaves are beginning to turn downwards. The leaves are also very wide and large on my plants and don't look stereo-typical of other plants.

Please help!! I really don;t want to lose these.
 

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ZaVe

ZaVe

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Not sure what's actually wrong, but just my .2 cents..

Looks like you have been over-watering. Very droopy leaves.
 
TheDankness

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No, the leaves aren't drooping per say, rather they are developing a case of "the claw." What you need to do is flush the soil with 3X the volume of the containers, for you that's 15 gallons per plant. Its definitely nute burn, soil with time released nutes sucks fat donkey dick. Let the soil completely dry out, then flush again. Continue until new growth looks healthy. You should be able to clear this up, the same thing happened to me, it'll probably take a couple flushes though.
 
smokeybandit22

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The dankness may be correct, but IMHO, you need to check a couple of things first. If that soil you are using, which probably started this, has high nute ratios than flushing will be toxic. Your plants have some serious issues that need to be resolved quickly. What I can gather is they are experiencing multiple lockouts at different stages. pic 3 is MG def, I see some N defeciency and some P and couple others.

This is where you start...are you monitoring the ph of feed/water and runoff My guess would be not carefully enough if at all, no offense. I bet if you measure the runoff from feeding the ph would be around 7.5 to 8.00 and water runoff 7.0 to 7.5. or higher. or too low.
what are the N-P-K ratio's for your nute mix? what type of water are you using?

DO NOT FLUSH yet. These gals are starting to bug hardcore and you will need to pay close attention.
 
TheDankness

TheDankness

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I don't mean to be a douche here, but why not flush? What could it possibly hurt. If his plants are deficient, its not from lack of nutrients, he said the soil has timed release nutes, so it would be from nutrient lockout. If its a ph issue flushing with ph'd water would help too. I guess I just don't see how it would hurt. If you mean that it may just release more nutes, it could be true of the first flush, but I had the same problem and persistant flushing paid off. After about three flushes I had rid the soil of most nute balls and the plants looked up. Also, I have given this advice before and it worked then too. Same exact scenario, he had just transplanted to soil with time-release nutes. After a few flushes, the plant was just fine. Just saying.
 
smokeybandit22

smokeybandit22

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I hear ya man. But if he is not ph'ing the water than probably wouldnt ph the flush water and it would def make the problem worse. If he is deficient than flushing will only aggrevate the deficiency. He could flush all I am saying is he should provide more info first because there is a myriad of iussues going on and improper intial diagnosis is number 1. He may need to transplant into soil that is more compatible with these particular plants.
 
smokeybandit22

smokeybandit22

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thats funny. I agree with you to a point about flushing, but man have you read some of these posts where ppl have not been ph'ing? This guy has a couple major things going on here at the same time, and has to be ph. if the soil has nutes already than how else could this plant go so lockout deficient in mg? I do see some nute burn but also some N deficiency as well. Weird.
 
Poon69

Poon69

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Smokey,.. you're a top man! And yes you're right,.. I haven't been ph'ing the water. I guess this is my first port of call. I'll get myself a soil testing kit and a water testing kit 2moro and get back to ya with the results. Any idea where I can get kits in uk? I'd appreciate your input after that. I'll see if I can find what's in the soil too. Got another bag of the stuff so fingers crossed it says on that.
 
Poon69

Poon69

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Right, I got a ph kit and tested our water. almost 8!!! Apparently we are in a norotious hard water area with a very high ph. Thing is, i didn't test ph before I transplanted and the plants were really perky back then. It is ONLY since the transplant that they have started going downhill. So,.. I also decided to get a bag of the cheap soil I was using before. The plants were doing fine in that so I've transplanted them back into that as I'm sure it's the decent quality stuff I bought with too many nutes in it that fucked em up!

Anyway, thanks to all u guys who posted. And I'd appreciate anymore input anyone has now that I've stated my water ph. (btw, i used ph down and adjusted to approx 6.8 before i watered the new ones into the pots) My plants still look really worse for wear especially seeing as they've drooped even more after transplanting bk to old soil.
 
John400HPS

John400HPS

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id say there stressed out from over watering and 2 transplants. you said you gave them 10 gallons of water? that more then my plant gets in 2 weeks and its pushing 5ft now
 
Poon69

Poon69

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I flushed the new soil with 10 LITRES of water. About 2 gallons. Let it all run off completely too. Just to make sure I have the correct ph in there. The plants are still getting bigger and bigger but I just don't like the look of the yellow tips on a few of the leaves.
 
smoke and coke

smoke and coke

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i think your going in the right direction now. just be patient for a couple a days and see if they look better. sorry for your troubles i know how stressful it is. keep us posted with some more pics. nice call on the ph smokey.
 
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Phinxter

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did noone catch where they are watering the plants 10 gallons each in 5 gallon pots? thats nearly a flush every 4 days
I'm positive it isn't lack of water or overwatering as I let them dry for 4 days and then gave them a real good watering and let it run off. About 10 gallons each (they're in 5 gallon pots).
i could be wrong but flushing your plant every watering / 4 days cant be good ?
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Poon69

Poon69

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Phinxter said:
did noone catch where they are watering the plants 10 gallons each in 5 gallon pots? thats nearly a flush every 4 days
I'm positive it isn't lack of water or overwatering as I let them dry for 4 days and then gave them a real good watering and let it run off. About 10 gallons each (they're in 5 gallon pots).
i could be wrong but flushing your plant every watering / 4 days cant be good ?
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I made a mistake here mate. I meant 10 Litres (2 gallons approx) and this was when i transplanted them into the new soil after they'd gone without water for about 4 days. Looing at them now, whilst the older leaves are still very droopy, the newer growth is definitely picking up. Now that I've put them back into the older soil. Fingers crossed I've sorted it but still apreciate the input as I'd like to know peoples opinion on what it was they were initially suffering from. Any specific nute deficiency for example?

The ph call from smokey was a damn good call! rep to you my man! Even if that wasn't the cause of the problem, it opened my eyes finding the tap water at 8!!

And thanks smoke and coke. Please check back mate and I'll post some more pics. I'll take some now. Like I said, they are still droopy as fuck, but I def think they aren't AS droopy.

Also, I know this may be a stupid question, But I will ask nonetheless in the hope I don't get called an idiot and get a decent opinion lol. Now that I've transplanted them back into the soil they started in, the nute free stuff, when would be a good time to start nuting them? I have some Ionic Grow for soil and hardwater but imagine anything like this would make them worse for the minute. Just thought perhaps they would NEED something at almost 4 weeks and now they're in the nute free soil again.
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smokeybandit22

smokeybandit22

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glad I could help. Yes I would start with a very balanced 1/4 strength nute solution as the plants had deficiencies before and will need food now to correct them. Feed away. Start low. and keep montioring the ph. than leave them be. in a week or so they should be right back on track.
get a good balanced veg nute mix with macro and micro nutrients. balanced is the key
 
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wray

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My plants are yellow at the bottom and the the top leaves has spots on them and they r leaning down help me please before they die
 
Poon69

Poon69

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Good news! This morning the newer leaves on my plant have got perky again! Coming out sideways rather than wilting downwards again! This makes me sooo happy lol.

1 question now though, There is several leaves around the bottom with yellow patches and some tips have nute burn and the stems to all these leaves are REALLY red. I'll post a pic shortly. Should I snip these off? If so, how? how close to the main stalk etc? I just wondered perhaps the plant could use it's energy more effectively on newer growth if I got rid of these struggling leaves.

Cheers guys
 
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