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Please can someone help me , I've posted on here before with this exact problem and I really don't know what I'm doing wrong . This is my 4th grow and I have lost the other 3 due to this problem. I will try to explain the best I can

soil changed to coco
water by hand changed to wilma
light changed from HPS to MH light for veg 600w
no nutes for first 2-3 weeks
temp about 75 steady
PH fine


they are the things I have changed since this all started. They all start off the same great under flouros then they are transplanted to the grow room , they are under 24/0 MH light (used to be HPS) all is well for the first few days , I start to notice leaves are starting to yellow and curl up at the edges and I notice the temp is about 82 so I turn down one heater and it hovers around the 77 mark. All goes well for the next few days no deteriation , then all hell breaks loose they start to wilt , turn yellow , and die very very quickly , I really don't know what I'm doing wrong !!! I've pretty much changed everything since I first had this problem , everything from nutes to lights. any ideas??

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my setup:


starting to change:


Getting worse:


going to die soon :

doode wtf are you growing in it looks like shit go get somke fox far plant them in there theres obviously a N defcany start there plant in somethng more normal like ff dirt

wanna know my honest suggestion ... i dont know cocoa very well but ur problem, would be solved in hydro buddy... and its easyer then any kind of soil .... diy systems can setup for like 30 bucks and work way better ,,,, dont fuck with soil good luck with the problem


kinda looks like a fungus growing on the cocoa ,.... are u n a basement or in a dirty place it kinda looks bad stuff on ur coco

moose88 said:

doode wtf are you growing in it looks like shit go get somke fox far plant them in there theres obviously a N defcany start there plant in somethng more normal like ff dirt

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sry noob from the uk here wtf?? fox??

fox farms is a type of soil and they make nutirants too, its a vitamin enriched and premixed soil, pretty good stuff. good for soil grows but yeah buddys makin sence .... iuno soils a shitload mroe work man .... u cuold be cropping twicve as often or twice as much and only have to water a resavoir every 4 days and change it every week or 2 ... no moving the palnts.... its rediculusly easy and greeeaaaattttt product

projectinfo said:

wanna know my honest suggestion ... i dont know cocoa very well but ur problem, would be solved in hydro buddy... and its easyer then any kind of soil .... diy systems can setup for like 30 bucks and work way better ,,,, dont fuck with soil good luck with the problem


kinda looks like a fungus growing on the cocoa ,.... are u n a basement or in a dirty place it kinda looks bad stuff on ur coco

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fungus always grows under the light you just turn the soil over - uk is expensive already spent about £800 on this set-up I've never seen a hydro setup I think you mean deep water culture obviously mine is a dripper system but I'm sure I'm not overwatering , any more help??

projectinfo said:

fox farms is a type of soil and they make nutirants too, its a vitamin enriched and premixed soil, pretty good stuff. good for soil grows but yeah buddys makin sence .... iuno soils a shitload mroe work man .... u cuold be cropping twicve as often or twice as much and only have to water a resavoir every 4 days and change it every week or 2 ... no moving the palnts.... its rediculusly easy and greeeaaaattttt product

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I think that's what I used first pre mixed - bio bix all mix I assume that's similar ??

u could make a dripper hydro setup allu need is a 80 ghp water pump , go on my grow journal in my sig chekc mine out read uppppp, and go oin faq.... u would prais my name if u switched to hydro man hoenstly,,,,, soil is so much more work and easy to fuckup

I use a wilma system that's a pre built dripper feed system so that is hydro i think lol

They are drowning in mud. Get some quality soil recipes off the internet. I mean you have moss growing on that shit... Where did you get that soil, from under a tree??? You have loset3 grows, and didn't realize that you medium was sopping wet and full of nasties?
Not to be harsh, but look at the soil, it is like a mud pie...
Again, just get a recipe for good soil, mix it youslef, no more than $50, 25 pounds, and youlf be all set...

Hydro systems do not use soil.... they use water as the nutient delivery system, and the medium is only used to support the plant and keep it standing..

mannurse801 said:

They are drowning in mud. Get some quality soil recipes off the internet. I mean you have moss growing on that shit... Where did you get that soil, from under a tree??? You have loset3 grows, and didn't realize that you medium was sopping wet and full of nasties?
Not to be harsh, but look at the soil, it is like a mud pie...
Again, just get a recipe for good soil, mix it youslef, no more than $50, 25 pounds, and youlf be all set...

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your not being harsh I need all the help I can get , I've tried bio all mix and now coco all on reccomendations , what medium do you suggest perhaps the ball swith soil in the middle ?? My m8 can do it fine in soil or hydro but I don't feel comfortable asking him for his help.call it female pride lol

mannurse801 said:

Hydro systems do not use soil.... they use water as the nutient delivery system, and the medium is only used to support the plant and keep it standing..

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pwehaps I'm using too much then if so wont they end up with no room for the roots?? perhaps clay balls are better??

Here is the easiest and most efficient Hydro System available, IMO.... Hempy Buckets... Once you get used to it, you can be growing monsters in no tim...
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/59705-hempy-collective.html

Rea up and enjoy...

missyuk said:

pwehaps I'm using too much then if so wont they end up with no room for the roots?? perhaps clay balls are better??

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Yeah, Hydrotron is a widely accepted medium in Hydro growing... Youa re using soil in what should be a soiless system. To contantly drip in soil, it will eventually become saturated, and stay saturated. This sturation prevents the roots from getting oxygen and also from earching for water and growing deep. If you could loo at your roots, they are probably rgith inder the surface, trying to get away from the water, and can't, so they eventually just die off causer the think they don't have to be there. Once they start to die off, you plants can't get any nutrients, and in trun become yerllow , shrivle up and die... That's all...

damn 132 pages one down 131 to go !!! Perhaps it's just me being thick but surely holes at the bottome work just as well as a hole in the side except it has a mini res at the bottom so the roots can take up as much moisture as needed but I thought you might be saying I was overwatering - mud pie

ok so my plants are dying because they don't have enough nutes therefore I need to find a way to let the roots get oxygen and nutes , can u cherck out clay pebbles and give advice on how you think they would work , pretty please

would rockwool and clay work better and if so there is no way I can save these??? gon on tell me I need my hopes dahed lol

ok time to bite the bullet I'm going to try clay balls and rockwool wish me luck guys , I (might) use this thread to thankyou if it works out lol

I defenatly think your problem is in the coco... first off, you dont necessarily need a different lamp for different stages of growth and you dont necessarily need to change anything in your grow room until youve actually managed to harvest something with what youve got... (like your automatic watering system??.... i think you should water by hand seen as youve never grown to harvest before so you can figure out the plants water needs etc...)
Your setup looks great... but like everyone says, you have moss growing in your coco.. make sure its never soaking wet... its better to water a little bit everyday rather than alot in one go.... and let it completely dry alteast once a week..... you shouldnt use ferts in the first few weeks if there is some kind of nutrient in the soil/coco...check the EC of the coco your using...(it should be written on the package) it may contain too little or too much NPK in it... if your ec is above 2.5 its probably too much for the babies and your burning them...
if the ec is under 0.5 they're hungry....
also you might wanna check the rooms humidity (RH) Its good for baby plants to have it over 80% but it can cause your soil/coco to grow moss or nasty other stuff... so its another thing you might wanna think of ...
you should defenatly get yourself some root stimulator (which would contain no NPK's) to get the roots going a bit... i use one that also has an antistress and all the vitamins the plants need when they begin their live... it is the only non organic product i use its (hesi root stimulator)
well there you go thats everything i can think of for now.. if i come up with anything ill let you know...
peace