preferred cloning methods, a poll

Roland

Roland

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Hobbes said:
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It's a great method to use after chopping a special plant from seed and thinking "You know, I should have revegged that and cloned it. Now all I have is a hanging plant and a bucket of damp roots ... hmmmm ..."

And the commercial applications would be phenomenal, so little work for so many clones.

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bongsmilie
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Thanks for the additional info Hobbes .... I'm def gonna try this ... I'm tryin to re-veg my Sour diesel and am worried she .. ain't gonna make it ...

going to take some roots out right now ....

I''ll let u know how it goes

plastic right on top of the root cluster huh .. ....
 
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Bob Smith

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Anyone ever clone in an E&F system?

Trying to get rid of all my bubblers (just hate them, honestly) so I'm attempting to clone in E&F for the first time - just cut this clone twenty minutes ago, anyone think she's got a shot?

Table is flooded every two hours for ten minutes, light is 1000HPS on 24/0, EC is 2.0 and CO2 is at 1500.

What's the chance she makes it?

She's in the bottom right of the second picture, and is (obviously) the only plant in the other picture.

EDIT: stem is almost touching the bottom of the pot, so gets flooded ~4" up from it's bottom, so I don't think that moisture will be an issue, but I'd love anyone's input.

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vh13

vh13

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Bob Smith said:
Anyone ever clone in an E&F system?

Trying to get rid of all my bubblers (just hate them, honestly) so I'm attempting to clone in E&F for the first time - just cut this clone twenty minutes ago, anyone think she's got a shot?

Table is flooded every two hours for ten minutes, light is 1000HPS on 24/0, EC is 2.0 and CO2 is at 1500.

What's the chance she makes it?

She's in the bottom right of the second picture, and is (obviously) the only plant in the other picture.

EDIT: stem is almost touching the bottom of the pot, so gets flooded ~4" up from it's bottom, so I don't think that moisture will be an issue, but I'd love anyone's input.

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As long as the cutting doesn't stress from lack of water it'll root in just about anything. Honestly, I don't know why people brag about 100% success rate, it's not a big deal.

It does require only water however, as the presence of some nutrients in the water can retard/prevent rooting. So you'll probably need a seperate rig for your cloning bucket... which would probably be easiest to achieve for a single plant with a DWC.
 
Airwave

Airwave

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Hobbes said:
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VH root budding is the simplest cloning method I've used, but takes more time than rooting cuttings. There's very little infomation on the net about it, I picked it up from the old OG but I didn't use it again because the bubbler was faster. And I didn't need hundreds of clones. I don't know why commercial growers don't use this method.

1. pull out a couple handfuls of damp roots and soilless from the bottom side of the bucket (I was looking for a way to clone a plant in late flower without revegging);
2. put in a light proof bucket with dark plastic directly on top of the mix (fluff up a bit, spray with ph'd water if too dry);
3. leave it for a few weeks somewhere dark and warm, check every once and a while and eventually you'll have hundreds of 4"+ sprouts with cotyldones.

"... In particular, the natural ability of roots of many species to form buds that develop into new shoots has been long recognized, and lists of species capable of forming ‘root buds’ are extensive. In some species, shoot buds occur sporadically on roots only after the root has been excised, whereas in other species one of the main functions of the root system appears to be the production of root buds. The formation of buds on roots enables the propagation of plants by root cuttings and is an important means of spreading noxious weeds. A variety of root tissue may be involved in bud differentiation, and the development pattern therefore varies considerably depending on the region of the root in which bud initiation occurs. Root buds of herbaceous species frequently arise endogenously, in a manner similar to initiation of lateral or adventitious roots. Therefore, descriptions of buds arising from both the pericycle and the phellogen or related tissues are frequently reported"

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"In propagation by cuttage or layerage it is only necessary for a new root system to form, since the meristematic shoot apex comes directly from the parental plant. Many stem cells, even in mature plants, have the capability of producing adventitious roots. In fact, every vegetative cell in the plant contains the genetic information needed for an entire plant. Adventitious roots appear spontaneously from stems and old roots as opposed to systemic roots which appear along the developing root system originating in the embryo. In humid conditions (as in the tropics or a green house) adventitious roots occur naturally along the main stalk near the ground and along limbs where they droop and touch the ground."

http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/92/1/145

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bongsmilie
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Holy shit!
 
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Bob Smith

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vh13 said:
As long as the cutting doesn't stress from lack of water it'll root in just about anything. Honestly, I don't know why people brag about 100% success rate, it's not a big deal.

It does require only water however, as the presence of some nutrients in the water can retard/prevent rooting. So you'll probably need a seperate rig for your cloning bucket... which would probably be easiest to achieve for a single plant with a DWC.
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Yeah, the clone died - evidently the stem wasn't as deep as I thought it was, and it dried out.

Gonna try again today with a stem touching the bottom the of the pot (to ensure adequate flooding), and also might cover the pot with saran wrap to increase the humidity.

Will report back with results.
 
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mrclark

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Bob Smith said:
Same reason I use and reuse hydroton in my E&F instead of buying rockwool and throwing it away each time - less trips to the hydro store.
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QTF... big bag of pellets was the best thing I picked up, but what I really hated about RW is getting rid of it. Veg matter goes into the disposal or under the lawn mower just fine, but hauling cubes full of MJ roots to the dump or worse putting them out for pickup? seems like a poor idea to me.
 
The Warlord

The Warlord

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I just cut the clones and stick em imn a cup of fox farms soil. no humidity dome. No fancy cloners. Just a cup of dirt. I don't see how anyone would ever have a problem with this. forrest Gump could do it.
 
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Bob Smith

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So for the second clone (took it on Saturday, I think), I took it at about 10", and have the stem touching the bottom of the pot, which means that when flooded (every two hours), it's immersed about 4" deep in 2.3EC water. It's still bent over from the initial shock of being put under a 1000HPS with high CO2, but it's certainly still alive and I'm 95% sure that it's gonna survive. Will report back once it has (hopefully) straightened up and it's without a doubt rooted.
 
seasmoke

seasmoke

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The cuttings get a dose of root tone then into a half filled( with soil) 16oz beer cup, mist with water then saran wrapped for 7-10 days, uncover and transplant into buckets. Fast and cheap.

Hobbs, that was fasinating. First time I've heard of it. So you take the root ball bury it in fluffy soil, and cover it keep it dark and warm....cool beans
 
Hobbes

Hobbes

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"So you take the root ball"

Not the whole root ball, reach down to the side/bottom of the bucket and pull out the roots winding around the side and bottom of the bucket. The thin ones, not woody. Different type of root. My plant was in late flower so I mixed up some pro mix and replaced what I pulled out.


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bongsmilie
 
Trial and Error 1

Trial and Error 1

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I am new to cloning as well and I tried a couple different ways but what I found that worked the best so far for me was just simpling make your cutting into jel even know i used powder which is not as good but whatever. Then cut dip into water then to rooting jel then into your mix. Not to many people seem to do that. But it works great for me!
 
lowerarchy

lowerarchy

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So if you've got hundreds of cotyledons popping out of your rootball, how are you going to separate them? Seems like you'd have a lot of decaying rootmass and stem material if you just snipped the weaker ones and left one little baby per square inch, for instance.

Pretty goddamn interesting idea though.
 
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berrybudz

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Rockwool,clone gel, hand water/mist with a humidity dome under flouro's my temps are bout 75 degrees. 3 cuttings form a plant 4 weeks into flower 2 weeks later roots everywhere.now i will have my mother plant Lemon Drop because as the trichs turned amber it smells like lemon pledge hehe., currently reveging a 2 toke couchlock i call p.j.'s pride for mom #2 it isa a white strain with so much resin it makes you drool..in my eyes no need for a 300dollar cloner propogater unless u like toys and spending money.all you need is correct temp, ge,l humidity and not too much love but a lil patience is priceless.
 
Sexxxy Beast

Sexxxy Beast

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Im trying root cloning right now, I have DWC so I cut some of the excess roots and threw them under some soil and put them in my closet. I am very curious to see if this works because if it does that means I can prevent the roots from being a huge mess in my dwc and get new clones for my friends!
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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racerboy71 said:
i have been doing a ton on research online as well as on here, and it seems that each article, thread i read i find that the author of each article claims to have the best and easiset low cost method of taking and growing out clones..
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That's because youre taking the (typical) path of researching gimmicks and techniques without understanding what makes a plant tick. The technique does not really matter, it's the end result that does and that is based on simple botany. It should not cost you but pennies. There is also air-layering for a sure fire cloning method.

Having said that, here is my cloning archive FYI.

Select a cutting on the mother plant with two or three healthy nodes. Pinch off the leaf petioles (leaf stems) on the bottom node as close to the main stem as possible - this will be the main future rooting area - roots will be produced from this axial bud site and along the stem. The remaining one or two nodes above this point, with their healthy leafsets, will provide food via photosynthesis for the ensuing root growth below.

Within a short period of time, after these wounds have healed over, cut off the clone with a razor blade, knife, etc. about 1/2" or so below the bottom node, doesn't have to be done under water, just cut where it's convenient for you. Immediately dip the bottom node and stem in Rootone-F or a similiar rooting material which contains a fungicide, place into a rockwool cube or hole punched into the soil, deep enough to support the cutting while allowing for ample root growth in the near future. Close the hole with your fingers working the medium towards the stem, water to settle the soil around the submerged stem, and place in strong indirect light, providing plenty of humidity by whatever method you're comfortable with....misting, plastic bag, dome, etc. allowing some air exchange. Fresh air can be provided by taking a lit cigarette and burning a dozen holes in a large clear plastic bag placed over the cutting, or if you use a dome, by lifting the clear dome once in a while. Bottom line is, the cutting requires close to 100% RH. Common sense dictates that the plant has no means of water uptake and will incur moisture loss thru the leaves, so you must reduce excessive moisture loss by providing an environment of high humidity until roots start growing from the bottom node and the stem that had been placed below ground level.

The cutting will have droopy leaves and stems for a while, this is normal. As you see things perk up, pot up. Provide plenty of fresh air and don't expose to sun or strong direct light until you are sure you have a nice root flush, as that will only dessicate the cutting further.

Be sure to maintain sanitary conditions throughout the entire process. Do not dip the cutting into the entire rooting compound; remove enough rooting agent from its original container to use for one cloning session.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben
 
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