Pro Grow LED Run #1, Super Cali Haze, Onyx, Blackbriar, and Blue Diesel

Six weeks old as of today and these pictures. The sweet caramel is no longer the champion in terms of final yield projections. That crown now belongs to the Smurfberry. The Caramel stopped getting taller and is growing some fat buds but it looks like the smurf kept growing a bit longer and is now starting to plump up everywhere. Even the little MI-5 is starting to show some promise. I may get more than a half bag off her yet.

I flushed with some Sledgehammer yesterday as I noticed a small bit of nute burn and will probably give them one more dose of calmag/tiger bloom, flush next week then run pure water for the rest of this cycle.

A sample nugget or several may be taken from the santa as she is the most mature of the group. I may actually harvest early just because my DEA friend, that's right I have a friend in the DEA, is moving back to Europe and my wife and I plan on renting a cabin in a nearby state forest to have one last shit kicker with my buddy and his wife.

My buddy is a translator, he and his wife speak between the two of them 8 different languages. He smokes more pot than I do and apparently that is of no concern to the feds as long as he can provide perfect wire tap translations to break up the Mexican Mafia. He also gets to work remotely and only has to visit his main office once a year. I just like saying I get high on a regular basis with a DEA agent. I have little concern for my personal safety regarding this friend as he and I were college room mates who grew together back in the day.

Things are moving along swimmingly, even if I do get itchy snipper fingers on the santa be assured the other three will grow to optimum maturity before harvest. I'm just running low on my personal smoke and want some fresh nuggets for this camping extravaganza. View attachment 1778333View attachment 1778335View attachment 1778336View attachment 1778337View attachment 1778338View attachment 1778339View attachment 1778340

Looking nice man! Think that will be a nice yield upcoming!

Very interesting thread! I may have to go with the pro grows on my next purchase. I spent 300 on the 63 Hydro grow and the 180 pro grows are 300. This is the light your talking about correct?
http://hydroponicshut.com/pro-grow-led-grow-lights.html

Lesson learned and if nothing else it will make a good side light or veg light to start the little guys off. I think for now I will stick to soil and figure out the lighting and venting in my cab. Here are some pics of my setup as of now.

I will be keeping an eye on your future post and grows as well.
Thanks again!

hoss12781 said:

Six weeks old as of today and these pictures. The sweet caramel is no longer the champion in terms of final yield projections. That crown now belongs to the Smurfberry. The Caramel stopped getting taller and is growing some fat buds but it looks like the smurf kept growing a bit longer and is now starting to plump up everywhere. Even the little MI-5 is starting to show some promise. I may get more than a half bag off her yet.

I flushed with some Sledgehammer yesterday as I noticed a small bit of nute burn and will probably give them one more dose of calmag/tiger bloom, flush next week then run pure water for the rest of this cycle.

A sample nugget or several may be taken from the santa as she is the most mature of the group. I may actually harvest early just because my DEA friend, that's right I have a friend in the DEA, is moving back to Europe and my wife and I plan on renting a cabin in a nearby state forest to have one last shit kicker with my buddy and his wife.

My buddy is a translator, he and his wife speak between the two of them 8 different languages. He smokes more pot than I do and apparently that is of no concern to the feds as long as he can provide perfect wire tap translations to break up the Mexican Mafia. He also gets to work remotely and only has to visit his main office once a year. I just like saying I get high on a regular basis with a DEA agent. I have little concern for my personal safety regarding this friend as he and I were college room mates who grew together back in the day.

Things are moving along swimmingly, even if I do get itchy snipper fingers on the santa be assured the other three will grow to optimum maturity before harvest. I'm just running low on my personal smoke and want some fresh nuggets for this camping extravaganza. View attachment 1778333View attachment 1778335View attachment 1778336View attachment 1778337View attachment 1778338View attachment 1778339View attachment 1778340

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awesome bro
even the lower buds look like they are filling out

Thanks everyone, to answer pottx's question yes that link is to my primary lights. 2 PG 180s and 1 PG 250 as the top lights. The 250 isn't sold anymore, it uses 1w diodes in the veg spectrum, 3w on the flower. I wouldn't use this light to veg with but it kicks ass for flowering.

hoss12781 said:

no I have not grown photo period plants under LEDs. This is the first run I've had with LED period. I chose to use autos because that's what I've primarily grown for the last four years. I'm a hobby grower who just doesn't want to interact with "drug" dealers. Four plants in the rolling hills of Kentucky is a ticketable offense, five is a felony. This keeps me safe from getting screwed by Johnny Law, and keeps my head high when I want it to be. To answer your questions I do believe these lights will grow photo period plants just fine. You might want to top or train to grow bushy instead of lanky. I order all my seeds from dope-seeds.com they always toss in a couple free ones. I also just requested an invoice for an additional 180 Pro Grow from Hydroponics Hut. Hopefully it'll get here soon to join the party.

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www.dope-seeds.com doesn't ship to us?

they did when I placed my last order. Now they don't. They stopped shipping to the US about 4-5 weeks ago, unsure why, probably got in trouble with customs. Fortunately I have 3 fem seeds left (smurf, MI-5, and Caramel). I also have a bunch of free seeds from my last order that could be male or female (snow ryder, onyx, and MI-5). I also still have a shitload of Black Briar seeds (auto I made with a buddy of mine).
Since my garden is so small I do hate wasting time on male plants. I'll probably look to the Attitude or another reputable seed bank after my next run. Hopefully the three fems I have germ and I'll only have one plant that could possibly wind up male.
Totally open to suggestions on seed banks for my next order. Please share your personal experience with the seedbanks you've used. It is valued and appreciated. Cheers!

hoss12781 said:

they did when I placed my last order. Now they don't. They stopped shipping to the US about 4-5 weeks ago, unsure why, probably got in trouble with customs. Fortunately I have 3 fem seeds left (smurf, MI-5, and Caramel). I also have a bunch of free seeds from my last order that could be male or female (snow ryder, onyx, and MI-5). I also still have a shitload of Black Briar seeds (auto I made with a buddy of mine).
Since my garden is so small I do hate wasting time on male plants. I'll probably look to the Attitude or another reputable seed bank after my next run. Hopefully the three fems I have germ and I'll only have one plant that could possibly wind up male.
Totally open to suggestions on seed banks for my next order. Please share your personal experience with the seedbanks you've used. It is valued and appreciated. Cheers!

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Tried to order through attitude and had problems with the payment/order, so i went with sannies seeds instead(read a bunch of good reviews on them). Not the selection of attitude but i had no problem ordering, got my seeds, and have had a 100% germination out of the 6 ive popped so far. They also throw in free seeds, i got two packs and a third free

But no clue on finished product/smoke report other than what ive read.

Looks to be legit, but unfortunately they don't carry autoflowers besides the original lowryder, which at least in my case, was a disappointing finished product. At any rate plus rep for the point in the right direction. If I ever get the photoperiod itch I'll look to them for my beans.

Thanks! Just curious why do you prefer autos???

There are some really good auto strains out there and for me its about getting the grow done quickly with a smaller flowering period. While I have done photo period grows before I found odor was easier to control with these small plants. I use Ona Gel, and these little guys only really stink for the last two weeks of flowering as opposed to some sativa grows I've done where it was painfully obvious what I was up to the minute you walked in my front door. As long as the quality is there, like it has been with Short Stuff, Sweet Seeds, and Sagmantha autos I'm stuck on those for the quickness and short flowering period. The final weight isn't really that bad either. I went ahead and chopped the Santa although she was a tad pre-mature. Guestimating about an oz off her, which isn't bad given she's only been growing for about 50 or so days. I'll post up some pics soon. The rest of the three will grow to optimal maturity.

They're also pretty cool if you want to do a dual grow. You can set the lights to 23 on 1 off, let the autos do their thing, and meanwhile let some photo period plants veg out big time. After 7-8 weeks your autos are done and now you can flip to a 12/12 and have a massive photoperiod plant.

Hello there.
I am new to all of this. But after much reading I have decide that LED is the way forward.
Therefore I am on this amazing thread. It is so refreshinng to read a positive thread with such indepth knowledge being shared so freely. So first. A big thank you to hoss for giving me hope.

So I have constructed my grow room.
It is 15 feet long by 7 feet wide by 7.5 feet high.

I have yet to "fit" it out.
My goal is 4 kg per grow cycle. Ambitious, yes maybe, but a goal is needed to measure yourself by.

Below are some specifications for the lamp units which I am looking at.
I would very much apreciate your replies on all of my ideas please.

The advantages of LEDs are well known and they are widely used in many consumer products. Due to break- throughs in AlGalnP, InGan and AlGaAs/InGaAs technology, LEDs can be effectively applied to horticulture. LEDs can produce precisely targeted, diffused spectrum at a very high efficiency and optical intensity. We use this technology to synthesize the relative photon charge required for chlorophyll A and B peaks. The units we design are built to create a direct density of photons that are relative to the spectrum's required to stimulate healthy, consistent plant growth in Veg or Flowering cycles. LEDs do this at a much higher energy efficiently in comparison to a HPS with the same relative photon density flux.
Full targeted spectrum
Each LED produces specialized waves of light that increase, encourage and accelerate growth in the different stages of plant development. Our 660nm red spectrum LED is the optimal wavelength for encouraging and increasing the production of fruit and provides growth acceleration in the Veg and flowering stages. Red 630nm and orange 615nm are necessary in smaller amounts to supplement the 660nm and provide consistent healthy growth during flowering. Warm white 2700k is used to provide a highly efficient, full spectrum for flowering to enhance the three diffused flowering targeted spectrum's. Our 445nm-460nm blue & deep blue spectrum LEDs offer the optimal spectrum for strong healthy growth in the vegetative stage and 6,000k cool white provides a highly efficient, full spectrum which supplements growth in all stages of plant development. We have developed our spectrum's over a period of 3 years of testing and we believe these spectrum's and ratios to be the maturity of our work with 3 watt LEDs.
3 watt LED
It is common knowledge that LED grow lights are amazing in the vegatative stage but now they are fantastic in the flowering stage too. Due to the intensity of the 3 watt LEDs, light is able to penetrate through the leaves allowing more diffused light to reach the lower canopies. This solves the previous issues of quality, consistency and yield in the flowering stage. Issues that the 1 watt LED units could not address even with concentrated 60 degree beam angles.
FAQ: Why does the power consumption of the unit differ to the units name?
A 3 watt LED means a 3 watt maximum part. Therefore using 288pcs of 3 watt LEDs, 900 watts is the maximum possible power consumption (including fans). All 3 watt LEDs are limited between 2.2 and 2.8 watts per LED depending on the spectrum in order to get the best lumen efficiency, heat dissipation and lifespan from each diode. When 660nm is used as the dominant spectrum on a grow light the power draw can be between one 1:3 and 1:4 less than the maximum possible output of the unit i.e 900 watt. This is because Epistar 660nm LEDs are most efficient at 2.2 watts per diode.
Lifespan
All our lights are designed and built to a 50,000 hour lifespan standard though the lights are capable of well surpassing this. The lifespan of the rival high pressure sodium light is between 10,000-24,000 hours.

1&3 year warranty's
We are so confident in the quality of our this product that we offer hassle free 1&3 year warranty on any factory faults and also a standard 28 day return policy.

Safe heat levels



( Deep Red 232pcs, Red 16pcs, Deep blue 17pcs, Blue 17pcs, Warm white 2pcs, Cool white 2pcs, Orange 2pcs)
High power 5 watt LEDs
Our 5w LEDs provide high light uniformity and produce more direct light than 3 watt LEDs without using focusing optics that decrease the light output. This produces a higher efficiency of delivered light and allows greater penetration through thick foliage.

Here is the link........http://www.grownorthern.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=15

Thanks for the info hoss! Never really tried autos but you make some very good points

querty im sure hoss can help you more than i but glad to have you on the LED side 4kg=~9lbs!!! Damn son shooting high. Youre going to need alot of wattage in there. In my research ive never seen grownorthern but havent looked specifically for them. Do you know of any grow journals using them?

I have no clue about how well made this is but it goes with your high yield requirements
http://www.blackdogled.com/products/bd1300
^more for shock value I would go with progrow glh or maybe those northern ones of they're good

8.8 lbs is a lot of dope man. I wish you the best of luck but know that this target weight will take a lot of plants and a lof of room. You may be a bit crowded in there to hit that figure. Concerning your lighting choice. It would appear that this company knows their specs and is upfront about the use of step down transformers, diode type, and spectrum. The only thing that concerns me is the 1 year standard, 3 year optional warranty - I'd want the three year to be standard - it should be if they really stand behind their product. Also the beam (viewing angle) is interesting at 120 degrees. That could be because they're using 5w diodes and its ok to spread them out further. For example, my 3w diode lights use a 90 degree viewing angle, a 120 on a 5w probably provides the same amount of intensity as a 3w 90 degree but over a larger footprint. To me it seems legit, but I'd want a three year warranty to justify the cost as that light is pretty expensive. Also the spectrums seem right - that is almost exactly what I'm running on my 7 band Pro-Grows.

I would wager that this light could provide coverage for two photoperiod plants, 3 autos. Again, just my best guestimate having used this technology, but not the item in question. For the price I would suggest going with a company that has a well established track record (journals ect) and offers a 3 year (or more) warranty right off the bat, but that doesn't seem like a bad light - just based on the description.

Back to my grow - my mother in law has been visiting which is why I haven't gotten around to post pictures. The Santa is pretty well dry (quick dried it in cardboard boxes so I can go camping with it this weekend). 32.4g dry. Not bad for an early chop. It only lived 52 days (.6 grams a day). Sweet Caramel is next on the chopping block. I've also moved in the lights since the santa is gone. The smurfberry is getting hit on all sides. A crap-o 90w on its left, a PG 180 on top, and a PG 180 getting the right side. It's loving life and will be the total wieght champion of this round for sure. Hoping for 2 oz off her when all is said and done. Pics as soon as my mother-in-law law GTFO.

Also one thing I've found is important regardless of type of light you use is effective side lighting. The pictures I have but have yet to post will illustrate my thesis on why to side light (spoiler alert - the bottom buds grow at the same rate as the top buds). It doesn't matter if you have a large wattage HID or high power led light you'll want some side lighting kicking in on the all angles to orchestrate a full plant harvest where all buds are at maximum potency.

PICS! And smoke report on Santa when you get a chance to sample it

The Santa (nugs with the black background, in the bowl, and in a mason jar lid) is a heavy indica smoke, spicy and smells like incense when lit. Even though harvested a tad early it still rocks you to the couch, but in a pleasant mellow way.

Sweet Caramel is down and hanging, some pics of the tops of the nuggets attached. The MI-5 and Smurfberry remain. The Smurf will be the monster of the four. I have her finishing with the PG 250 (flower only spectrum) and a 90w ufo on either side and a 180 PG on flower hitting the top.

The MI-5 is still and will be runty but is plumping up and just got a major dose of intensity as it now has a 180 on flower for top lighting and a 90w quad and GLH 100 on the sides.

Sorry, I'm not a photographer - did the best I could. As always comments and suggestions welcome. I'm off to go play in the woods.

Mmmmmmmm love the pictures, some quality dank there sir SO PINK!

thanks buddy. Stuck here at work for another six hours before I hit the road to nowhere. 36 hours of camping, rock climbing, and not being in my office. Thought I'd toss in some additionals about this grow.

1.) Smart pots - next time I will be using five gallon smart pots, used 3 gal this time. I love these things but all except the MI-5 (small phenotype) seemed to be a bit crowded in the root area toward the end. I have to water them daily. That brings me to another reason why I like autos. Since I'll be bouncing around the woods this weekend I won't be able to water the two I have remaining. Since it's not a photo period plant I can switch my lights to 10 hours on 14 off and it will not herm on me. This will allow the heavy watering I give them today to last until I return. If I left them on 23/1 for 3 days w/o water at this stage they'd be irreparably fucked when I get home.
2.) My quick dry method - this is the best way I've found to quick dry nuggets without fucking up the taste and quality (too badly). Trim and hang for 36 hours buds on branches with a fan blowing indirectly on it. Take a old cardboard box and cut a hole in the side of it. Trim nugs from branches, place in box, put fan on low and let it hit the hole in the box. Wait another 24 hours, they should be dry enough to smoke. Works well in a pinch if you need to get some dry quickly. If not obviously slow curing works better. The Caramel, MI-5 and Smurf will be slow cured. The Santa was subjected to my quick dry method. Still turned out pretty tasty.
3.) Trimming, if you've read some of my earlier posts you know I trim the hell out of my fan leaves any time I believe they may be inhibiting cola growth. For me this grew out of trial and error. You'll find many people saying no don't do that - and that's fine - its their grow. For me this method produces more smaller buds from better formed branches that ultimately weighs more than if I grow a plant without trimming and wind up with one massive top nugget and weak branching development. This strategy is only employed on my autos, and yes there is something to be said about having one giant nugget, but I'd rather have the weight.

You can't really see through the red, and I meant to take some better pics to illustrate the efficacy of side lighting on lower bud development, I'll sit down and try to get some better pics when I get back. Also I will be selling at least one if not both of my 90w ufos to pick up another pro grow. I'm stuck on these, and want to enable a grow where I can remove all but the proper flowering spectrum when I get down to the last couple weeks.

Have fun sleeping on rocks with the bugs
But really

Have you ever tried tucking fan leaves instead of trimming? To me that looks the best of both worlds, plant keeps its leaves and the bud gets more light.

Now to go google smart pots....