Progressives: Is this what you have in mind?
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jrh72582
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Nope. Not what I have in mind. Just because the NHS has these problems in no way determines our system. Like the article said, the problem was a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have already concluded that our system will end up EXACTLY the same as the NHS, but that's a bit obtuse. We could learn from their mistakes and make our healthcare system more efficient, effective, and self-sustaining.
I refuse to believe that we are determined by what others have done. We're the most ingenious and productive nation on the planet. We can make anything work. Fuck the NHS - we'll do it differently.
I simply don't understand the logic. Well, the NHS has these problems. If we do it, we'll have the SAME problems. So we better not do it. How defeatist. Why not just avoid those problems? We have HINDSIGHT! Come on man...
ViRedd
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Well, all I can say is ... government is government. Inefficient, inept and very expensive. And yes, I agree with you that we are the most ingenious and productive nation on the planet. In addition to that, no other country can out produce the American worker, nor can they out sell the American salesman. The thing to keep in mind, jrh, is that we are talking about government programs and not the free market where free minds can excel
Social Security - broke.
Medicare - broke.
Medicaid - broke.
Prescription drug plan - broke.
Post office - broke.
Amtrak - broke.
Social Security - broke.
Medicare - broke.
Medicaid - broke.
Prescription drug plan - broke.
Post office - broke.
Amtrak - broke.
Yep we will make it all work out by just sending people to the gas chambers at age 62, no Social Security to worry about, no Medicare to worry about, there ya go, recession gone overnight! Then we can just take all the old peoples belongings and reinvest all that capital into our failing banks and large corporations so that they can start crankin out more stuff for us to buy!! Think of the upside to all this people. YOU WILL KNOW WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO DIE, OMG you will be able to live for the moment knowing your demise is near, it will make life much more precious and we may actually treat each other with compassion and dignity.
( I don't really believe this).
( I don't really believe this).
MexicanWarlord420
Active Member
Lol I think it's because our whole government is broke
ViRedd
New Member
^^^
The liege lords who run our congress and senate have raided all of the trust funds and depleted them of all the funds that we've paid in, in order to pay for pork-barrel projects in order to garner votes and to stay in power. There is NO money in the Social Security trust fund. There is NO money in the Medicare trust fund. How can any intelligent person think that they won't do the same with the money that is taxed away to pay for a government run health care program as well?
And a little off of the subject, but has anyone here thought about the remaining dollars that haven't been spent for the stimulus package? I mean, only 10% has been spent so far, and they are telling us that the economy is turning around now. OK, so if the economy is turning around ... SEND THE FREAKIN' MONEY BACK TO US IN THE FORM OF A STIMULUS CHECK! It's the taxpayer's money fer cryin' out loud.
The liege lords who run our congress and senate have raided all of the trust funds and depleted them of all the funds that we've paid in, in order to pay for pork-barrel projects in order to garner votes and to stay in power. There is NO money in the Social Security trust fund. There is NO money in the Medicare trust fund. How can any intelligent person think that they won't do the same with the money that is taxed away to pay for a government run health care program as well?
And a little off of the subject, but has anyone here thought about the remaining dollars that haven't been spent for the stimulus package? I mean, only 10% has been spent so far, and they are telling us that the economy is turning around now. OK, so if the economy is turning around ... SEND THE FREAKIN' MONEY BACK TO US IN THE FORM OF A STIMULUS CHECK! It's the taxpayer's money fer cryin' out loud.
hanimmal
Well-Known Member
Tax cuts were about 40% of the package if I recall correctly.
It was not in a check it was actually in lower taxes taken out of paychecks.
But for that article, it is a really good thing that in the bills there are section that say if people want to stay alive the doctors will do everything to keep them so. If they chose to let go and die, the doctors will keep them as comfortable as possible.
FlyLikeAnEagle
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When some of you give up your Medicare and Social Security then I'll have some respect, otherwise you're just buying into the fear. You should also stop using the mail and use FEDEX instead, I'm sure you would rather pay $25 rather than 50 cents to send a letter to prevent communism.
You can't take that option, you must take your medicare and SS like a good little soldier. They don't stop sending you a check just cuz you tell them you don't need nor want it.
I love the Post office, I love my mail carrier, she's a hottie!
Rob Roy
Well-Known Member
The Post office lost $4.7 billion in 2009 thru August 5th according to CBS news. That would mean the low cost of sending a letter is being subsidized (by you)...the real cost isn't what you pay at the stamp window.
Social security is on a path to insolvency. People won't have to give it up, it will disappear as more and more baby boomers try to collect.
When the government stops taking from people then I'd say it's fair to ask people to stop using their "services".
Anjinsan
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i refuse to click an orange link. sorry.
what's it say?
That people in England are dying because their government's health care plan is cutting off foods and liquids when their patients are near death.
Sometimes they are getting it right...sometimes they are killing people who are improving.
Wonder if they had the imaginary "death panel" conversation in England before making this into law.
if the government didn't take care of them, who would?
Anjinsan
Well-Known Member
By "take care of them" is that a euphamizm <-- sp? for killing them? Because I think that just about any of us could manage to kill people that need to be fed to live.
It's keeping them ALIVE that is the tricky part. In this case apparently the government does not see keeping old people alive as being financially sound business practice.
you didn't answer the question.
should i ask again:
IF the government wasn't taking care* of them, who would?
*... "providing them with care" for the slow people out there.
Anjinsan
Well-Known Member
you didn't answer the question.
should i ask again:
IF the government wasn't taking care* of them, who would?
*... "providing them with care" for the slow people out there.
In their system...nobody. But what to do? They've already paid into the system through high taxes...they absolutely do not have enough to go to a private doctor.
In their system...nobody. But what to do? They've already paid into the system through high taxes...they absolutely do not have enough to go to a private doctor.
hmmmmmm
Stoney McFried
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You know, all the right wingers are ranting about "socialized medicine" and how we're all gonna go to hell in a handbasket.As a pinko leftie commie liberal, I would just be happy with affordable healthcare. Just make the insurance companies stop raping our wallets.I don't want anyone else's money.I just don't want ALL of my money to go to an insurer who may drop me the minute I get ill. We've been doing it this way for too long.Time for some kind of solution that works for everyone, not just the rich.