Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

leeny

leeny

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oh so now that that's coverd I want to know where the molecules came from but sadly technology is not advanced enough to figure that out :(
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Do you really want to know Fish? Because it is very interesting, but it could take a bit of time to type out. And if you just ignore it (which I think you would do) I think that I would have to become an internet toughguy.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Actually I found this link. It is not very sexy, but it does nutshell it pretty well.

http://geology.about.com/od/nutshells/a/aa_earthbirth.htm

Here is another that goes into the formation of early life:
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/Courses/bio303/bigbang.htm


But better yet, here is a quick science video of it: http://science.discovery.com/videos/the-comets-tale-planet-formation.html

Very good to watch about the water: http://www.history.com/video.do?name=How_the_Earth_Was_Made

They want to sell their video so that sucks, but look at the schedual and see if you can catch it. Very good video. Nevermind you can click on the different segments.

Here is a great one on the formation of the moon. http://www.history.com/content/universe/the-universe-video
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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No you can watch them online and they make no money that is not already being paid to them.

Also you can watch on tv. The ads that pay them have already been placed so you watching the channel does not give them any money they would not have had if you didnt watch it.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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So far since the dawn of the Universe, creation point yet undefined.... there has been one immutable law which so far has remained unbroken.

SIMPLE TO COMPLEX.

This invalidates the very idea that behind all of the simplicity lies a "being" of super complexity which had to have skipped all of the laws of physics that hold true.

It is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that an INSTANTLY complex being created the universe where that isn't possible to do.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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The theory of the big bang is just that... our best theory. Also the big bang is a descriptive term of the event, not the cause of the event.

Big difference.... we are still peeling the onion.

Keep flailing tho.... it's entertaining (grabs popcorn)
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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but not so hard to believe that big bang did it?
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Hey fish was hoping I did not scare you away.

The thing with the big bang is it is the most simple thing. If you can get behind that there is all this matter (earth, solar system, other solar systems, ect) in space, and that it is already here. You don't have to ponder how it got there, the fact that it is there is proof enough.

So then you do the math and find that the universe is moving, then you can track it back to a point in space where it all converges on (if you follow the path that they are traveling backwards).

Once you have that, what is easier, saying that was where it started (even if this is one of several 'big bangs') and traveled outwards, or having to figure out how some super being that there is no facts showing somehow came into existence and having the powers to create everything out of thin air. I will go with the fact that everything is already here, and if this super being wants me to know it is here it will show us.
 
fish601

fish601

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hanimmal said:
I will go with the fact that everything is already here, and if this super being wants me to know it is here it will show us.
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The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).
Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God

The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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fish601 said:
The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein moleculeshttp://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html
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Do you not think that given enough time no mater how slim the odds are, eventually it could happen. How old is the universe, surely old enough for the odds you quote to come about. By quoting odds of something happening must mean that you believe it could happen. And please don't spout shit about the earth only being 6000 years old.
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Sure, believe in god, cuz we said so.No proof needed.If you ask for proof, you're gonna burn in hell.LMAO.
fish601 said:
The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6).
Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God

The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 zeros). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html
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fish601

fish601

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krustofskie said:
Do you not think that given enough time no mater how slim the odds are, eventually it could happen. How old is the universe, surely old enough for the odds you quote to come about. By quoting odds of something happening must mean that you believe it could happen. And please don't spout shit about the earth only being 6000 years old.
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i am not into math but i would like to know how long evolutionist think it would take..
how long does it take for a single protein molecule forming by chance 1 in 10243 to become a single cell? might need more than 4.5billion years? anyone?
 
krustofskie

krustofskie

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fish601 said:
i am not into math but i would like to know how long evolutionist think it would take..
how long does it take for a single protein molecule forming by chance 1 in 10243 to become a single cell? might need more than 4.5billion years? anyone?
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How long is a piece of string ? Your talking chance, doesn't matter how high the odds are, it could have happend on the very first day or even after a million years, as long as you give odds there is a chance them odds will come about at any time.

eg: If the odds of me picking the correct door are 100 to 1 it doesnt mean I will open 100 doors before I get the right one.
 
fish601

fish601

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i gave it a google

The probability of an average protein molecule made up of 500 amino acids being arranged in the correct quantity and sequence in addition to the probability of all of the amino acids it contains being only left-handed and being combined with only peptide bonds is "1" over 10950. We can write this number which is formed by putting 950 zeros next to 1 as follows:

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There are 3 basic conditions for the formation of a useful protein:​

First condition: that all the amino acids in the protein chain are of the right type and in the right sequence
Second condition: that all the amino acids in the chain are left-handed
Third condition: that all of these amino acids are united between them by forming a chemical bond called "peptide bond".
In order for a protein to be formed by chance, all three basic conditions must exist simultaneously. The probability of the formation of a protein by chance is equal to the multiplication of the probabilities of the realisation of each of these conditions.
For instance, for an average molecule comprising of 500 amino acids:
1. The probability of the amino acids being in the right sequence:
There are 20 types of amino acids used in the composition of proteins. According to this: -The probability of each amino acid being chosen correctly among these 20 types= 1/20-The probability of all of those 500 amino acids being chosen correctly= 1/20500= 1/10650 = 1 chance in 10650
2. The probability of the amino acids being left-handed: -The probability of only one amino acid being left-handed= 1/2-The probability of all of those 500 amino acids being left-handed at the same time= 1/2500 = 1/10150= 1 chance in 10150
3. The probability of the amino acids being combined with a "peptide bond": ​

Amino acids can combine with each other with different kinds of chemical bonds. In order for a useful protein to be formed, all the amino acids in the chain must have been combined with a special chemical bond called a "peptide bond". It is calculated that the probability of the amino acids being combined not with another chemical bond but by a peptide bond is 50%. In relation to this:
-The probability of two amino acids being combined with a "peptide bond"= 1/2-The probability of 500 amino acids all combining with peptide bonds= 1/2499 = 1/10150 = 1 chance in 10150​
TOTAL PROBABILITY= 1/10650 X 1/10150 X 1/10150 = 10950= 1 chance in 10950





this right?
 
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