Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

fish601 said:

i guess crackerjax is one of a few that has it all figured out?.

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Alot of your comments are very paradoxical. Aren't you really saying YOU have it all figured out, I mean really, the way in which you refute science and at the same time ask naive questions that really reveal your misunderstanding of it. And also, christians have a flawed way of logic that keeps them always thinking inside the box. Thier questions are quite unique and easily answered by the logic of a great man with a son who created everything (need know nothing more than that), and rediculously enough, has a special plan for each person. Im sure if there was a great god he probably made the bible as a funny joke to see who it would acctually benifit(maby their is esoteric knowledge somewhere in there yet people dont understand...mysticism can take many odd and bizarre forms. never mind Im thinking of gnosticism) and people who are going around in circles chasing thier own tails. I remember being young in a baptist school and can quite clearly remember being flat out lied to. That teacher honestly believed and would tell us that one day we would all wake up and come to school but other kids and him of course wouldnt be there because of the rapture lol. And without saying names he assured us that there would be people in our class that wouldnt be raptured. Can you believe that shit? And my dad was paying his hard earned money so they could fill our young imaginations with lies.

Anyway just felt like posting. Enjoy your day

Sooooo trite.

It's time to leave all of our old god's behind us, there is no place for those primitive beliefs in the 21st century.

stonedroach said:

It's time to leave all of our old god's behind us, there is no place for those primitive beliefs in the 21st century.

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X's 2.

Makes me think of a good question...

If everyone became atheist, would that mean God failed? Isn't it impossible for an omnipotent being to fail at anything?

stonedroach said:

It's time to leave all of our old god's behind us, there is no place for those primitive beliefs in the 21st century.

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Yes!!, So True, We reMain so Primitive and Yet God continues to Evolve...., We still Remain aPe Like, just a bunch of dumb Monkey's texting away with our Thumbs

PadawanBater said:

X's 2.

Makes me think of a good question...

If everyone became atheist, would that mean God failed? Isn't it impossible for an omnipotent being to fail at anything?

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Question #1 - NO,

Question #2 - YeS..,

Made me Think of A Good Question or 2, or 3...

If Everyone Became Atheist, What's Next? When We are without god/s.. Or is it impossible to phantom this Now?

The only significant present day/time observances of accelerating Evolution has been with the Mind over the last 4-5 Centuries... The Way we think has Significantly Observably Evolved, or Does the Mind extend onlY as Far as the Science has permitted it to Go?

So my other Questions are,

Will being god-less allow For the Pinnacle of Man to be Reached noW if it is Free of An OmnipresenT God HoaX, or is it Attainable Now aS Well, HoAx included?

Or, We are Unable to break Free because a Grand Hoax renders us Powerless to the Scheme of it All? if the Latter is True, I Agree that Religion Must Go Down NOW my Way has already Failed...

these are just some things I have pondered...

edit: clarify..14/15th century - present day

hahahahahaha

evolution.

you think were still evolving, well your half right.

were are evolving into 2 seperate species.

1. muscly\low IQ\big penis\big boobs\good complexion. in short, the beautiful people

2. frail\highIQ\average\average\no complexion\bad vision. in short, teachers,doctors,scientists,etc

we stopped using survival of the fittest when alcohol became cheap and plentiful.
now its survival of whoever is still sober enough to fuck.
were breeding in non survival traits, take a penut allergy, a few hundred years ago if you had that you died when you were 5 and everybody thought demons did it. now its treatable, and inheritable.

same for bad vision,asthma, and any number of other things.

and no im not preaching eugenics.

im just saying we continue to evolve, from a species point of view many of the human subspecies are continueing to evolve in somewhat dissimilar ways, (like those islanders that now have the ability to contract their pupils at will, providing clearer vision underwater. where the majority of their food and trade goods come from)

micro evolution as opposed to macro evolution.

and the fact that we have externalized most of what would normaly be taken care of by evolution, ie devices that condition or heat air, clothing, microwaves(fake fire), fast food, u get the idea

You ever see Idiocracy?

NOWitall said:

hahahahahaha

evolution.

you think were still evolving, well your half right.

were are evolving into 2 seperate species.

1. muscly\low IQ\big penis\big boobs\good complexion. in short, the beautiful people

2. frail\highIQ\average\average\no complexion\bad vision. in short, teachers,doctors,scientists,etc

we stopped using survival of the fittest when alcohol became cheap and plentiful.
now its survival of whoever is still sober enough to fuck.
were breeding in non survival traits, take a penut allergy, a few hundred years ago if you had that you died when you were 5 and everybody thought demons did it. now its treatable, and inheritable.

same for bad vision,asthma, and any number of other things.

and no im not preaching eugenics.

im just saying we continue to evolve, from a species point of view many of the human subspecies are continueing to evolve in somewhat dissimilar ways, (like those islanders that now have the ability to contract their pupils at will, providing clearer vision underwater. where the majority of their food and trade goods come from)

micro evolution as opposed to macro evolution.

and the fact that we have externalized most of what would normaly be taken care of by evolution, ie devices that condition or heat air, clothing, microwaves(fake fire), fast food, u get the idea

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Sorry, I missed the Joke...but of course we are still Evolving, No other which way about it, or half way of looking at it.. With that said, I agree with very much of all of what you have said especially the highlighted portion....

I don't believe that we will Change form or anything like that, less bearing that Our enviroment went under some vast changes, in which we were still able to inhabit the planet, but stressed conditions may cause noticeable changes over time, similar to how our Eyelashes were thicker and Heavier and Served a purpose of protecting our Eyes from Harsh WEather, now they are Simply there for Fashion...

The (2) individual categories you have put forth I know, or atleast think they were half heartedly sarcastic jokes, but also a honest General depiction of what our species have evolved to...

and I don't promote eugenics either, but I feel that Nature has a way of fulfilling it's own course......

Like I said, I believe the Mind is the most Noticeable trait of evolution in the way we think and Approach life, Some may feel science opens their thinking up to a broader spectrum of thought, however, I feel and have only witnessed since time of Man began of how our thinking/mind has opened us up to the World around us to probe it differently that leads to new understandings.... & knowledge.. Which later becomes idenfified as Science/Religion..

Anyhow, I believe you are saying the same thing , and that is Yes we are evolving....

And that was some Awesome DYK information as well, Thanks

PadawanBater said:

You ever see Idiocracy?

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I've caught bits and pieces of it, I recorded it to my DVR. What I've seen so Far has been Hilarious, I'll have to sit down and check the Whole movie out Soon..

There's a major flaw in the original post, and not to sound cocky but a flaw that I'm assuming everyone has overlooked ... Well actually a couple of things.. For one.. as stated, everything that has been suggested to humankind's origins are THEORY and theory alone, no proof whatsoever, just an educated guess by the knowledge we currently possess, and sorry to say but humans haven't even scratched the surfice of knowing everything.

Second, it IS possible for something to simple exist, such as gravity. Did you know that if you get a bowling ball out in the middle of space, and then put a golf ball out there with it, that the golf ball would begin revolving around the bowling ball? EVERYTHING has a natural gravity, but where did gravity come from? It just kind of exists, so it makes sense that the universe, space, can just kind of exist.

The main flaw in the original post though... is time.

andersbranderud said:

Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

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Now what I say next might be a hard concept to grasp, and I apologize if I don't exlain it well but... time doesn't acutlally exist. Time is merely a concept that humankind created as a way to describe the length of a process. People grow old, flowers wilt and iron rusts; all of which are the result of deteriorating chemical reactions which occur naturally in the universe.

Infinity is a perfect example. Infinity, eternaty, forever, neverending. Same concept with time, and that's the flaw with this theory. For every equal, there IS an opposite, so the concept of time neverending works in reverse, so there is no beginning either, like gravity, it just simple there. If that makes any sense?

Why do we spend eternaty in heaven? Or eternaty in hell? Because once we're there, we don't die, we are there for eteranaty because time ceases to exist.

Again, sorry if that isn't explained well but I'm afraid I did the best I could. But the bottom line is that time doesn't exist, making it neverending, and also neverbeginning.

Smoker Toker

I just gotta say, what ever you may believe is your own business, and, (provided your not harming anyone in any way, i.e. murder, robbery, ect.), nobody has the right to tell you to believe anything different. That's your decicision.

Other than that, what the hell? I mean why do so many people get hung up on this? Whatever religion you may be, or if your an atheist, your only accountable for yourself, so why worry about what everyone else is doing? Why get all pissed off and fight with people, and create more missery and suffering not only in your life, but theirs, when it has absolutely nothing to do with you? Am I the only one who thinks that's a no brainer?

smoker toker said:

Second, it IS possible for something to simple exist, such as gravity. Did you know that if you get a bowling ball out in the middle of space, and then put a golf ball out there with it, that the golf ball would begin revolving around the bowling ball? EVERYTHING has a natural gravity, but where did gravity come from? It just kind of exists, so it makes sense that the universe, space, can just kind of exist.

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WoW, I just had an Enlightening Thought after thinking Over this Information and just from the other day watching a Documentary on Blackholes....

In short, it was presumed that the outer reaching stars of an Galaxy was not effected by the Gravity of a Blackhole, but after some recent studies and calculations, they found a distinct pattern with the OuterStars that did imply that they were effected by the Super Massive Black Hole, which are suspected to be at the Center of every Galaxy, including Ours....

So, not so Short, huh , So, if everything is effected by the Super Massive Black Holes all the Way to the Outer Reaches of that BlackHoles Galaxy, Is it possible that Gravity has it's Existence and Origination from BlackHoles....,

LIke the Golf Ball, Bowling Ball example... which is, a simple example of the General Relativity, What if the existence of Gravity effect on All objects, Originates and Exist as A secondary proponent of The Gravitational Pull of The Super Massive Black Hole.., Has this ever been thought of, or calculated? Or even possible according to Laws of Physics? And since we presume the Law of Conservation of energy , Are Black Holes in actuality what Dark Matter/Dark Energy really is. The End Cycle of consumption of all Matter and Energy back into it's natural State, Dark Matter/Dark Energy

Hmm, it was Just A Thought,

Brazko said:

WoW, I just had an Enlightening Thought after thinking Over this Information and just from the other day watching a Documentary on Blackholes....

In short, it was presumed that the outer reaching stars of an Galaxy was not effected by the Gravity of a Blackhole, but after some recent studies and calculations, they found a distinct pattern with the OuterStars that did imply that they were effected by the Super Massive Black Hole, which are suspected to be at the Center of every Galaxy, including Ours....

So, not so Short, huh , So, if everything is effected by the Super Massive Black Holes all the Way to the Outer Reaches of that BlackHoles Galaxy, Is it possible that Gravity has it's Existence and Origination from BlackHoles....,

LIke the Golf Ball, Bowling Ball example... which is, a simple example of the General Relativity, What if the existence of Gravity effect on All objects, Originates and Exist as A secondary proponent of The Gravitational Pull of The Super Massive Black Hole.., Has this ever been thought of, or calculated? Or even possible according to Laws of Physics? And since we presume the Law of Conservation of energy , Are Black Holes in actuality what Dark Matter/Dark Energy really is. The End Cycle of consumption of all Matter and Energy back into it's natural State, Dark Matter/Dark Energy

Hmm, it was Just A Thought,

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From what I understand, dark matter/dark energy is the force opposite gravity. It's what's responsible for our exponential rate of expansion. Gravity pulls stuff together, dark matter/dark energy pushes stuff apart. They've also done calculations on the weight and volume of galaxies and discovered that there is much more mass inside average galaxies than can be accounted for through standard measurements. They figure there must be a lot more dark matter/dark energy than we can currently measure.

PadawanBater said:

From what I understand, dark matter/dark energy is the force opposite gravity. It's what's responsible for our exponential rate of expansion. Gravity pulls stuff together, dark matter/dark energy pushes stuff apart. They've also done calculations on the weight and volume of galaxies and discovered that there is much more mass inside average galaxies than can be accounted for through standard measurements. They figure there must be a lot more dark matter/dark energy than we can currently measure.

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Well, I think we should discriminate the two totally in terms together.. DArk Energy is responsible for expansion, While Dark Matter constitues the gravitational core of Our galaxy, Right?

hmm, this is another subject I've always been fascinated with, guess I need to delve a little deeper with it too..

Another thought on why they are unable to account for the abundant amount of Dark matter that doesn't equate to the Galaxies matter, is because calculations for the mass x energy that went into making the Blackhole is unknown.. It only makes sense for the Core to have a Greater density of Mass meaning Dark Matter compared to the orbiting Mass/Dark Matter.. General Relativity, Right?

hmmm...., Just A Thought,

Brazko said:

Another thought on why they are unable to account for the abundant amount of Dark matter that doesn't equate to the Galaxies matter, is because calculations for the mass x energy that went into making the Blackhole is unknown.. It only makes sense for the Core to have a Greater density of Mass meaning Dark Matter compared to the orbiting Mass/Dark Matter.. General Relativity, Right?

hmmm...., Just A Thought,

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Did you watch the thing on the history channel too? The Universe? The one I watched was about dark matter and dark energy.

sunshine17542 said:

Did you watch the thing on the history channel too? The Universe? The one I watched was about dark matter and dark energy.

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Yes, Probably So, I've seen Tons of them, on Dark matter/Energy, BlackHoles, Galaxies, Stars, Planets, etc.. et..., from the time I had little priority interest in the Stuff, until it became an elected all consuming motivated interest. People, baffle me sometimes @ how they relate to the Great Minds of Old'.. like they are some Fairytale God's themselves, that had access to some Vast exclusive Knowledge only beholden to them. They are your Equals, they just decided to tap that Vast knowledge, that is totally inclusive to all things, The Mind..

and again to answer, Yes, more than likely, I have viewed the Same program, probably several times already, I get So excited when I see an Updated Documentary that may contain new shared evidence or theories, that I get to weigh against my Own probing..., It always seemingly results in the same principle findings, I'm always happy when Science finally catches Up ,

Now I want to get some in depth literature on String Theory, Dark Matter/Energy, & Quantum Physics..., and see what I'm able to learn, that my Mind has not already be able to phantom,

Braz... ahead of science... uh huh.

CrackerJax said:

Braz... ahead of science... uh huh.

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It's pretty rare when it happens, it's happened to me like two or three times in my entire life, maybe that's not what Braz is talking about, but I'll share anyway.

When you have the same thoughts those great men before you had without ever having known of them in the first place.

I remember thinking about orbits and revolutions of planets before I knew anything about school, education or science.

I also remember thinking about philosophies similar to Nietzsche before I ever learned anything about him.

Same thing with black holes and Hawking..

Arguably the most profound feeling I've ever experienced...

Yes, this has happened to me too, but realize that we have all sorts of "fill ins" of info the original scientists did not.

Brazko said:

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So, not so Short, huh , So, if everything is effected by the Super Massive Black Holes all the Way to the Outer Reaches of that BlackHoles Galaxy, Is it possible that Gravity has it's Existence and Origination from BlackHoles....,

LIke the Golf Ball, Bowling Ball example... which is, a simple example of the General Relativity, What if the existence of Gravity effect on All objects, Originates and Exist as A secondary proponent of The Gravitational Pull of The Super Massive Black Hole.., Has this ever been thought of, or calculated? Or even possible according to Laws of Physics? And since we presume the Law of Conservation of energy , Are Black Holes in actuality what Dark Matter/Dark Energy really is. The End Cycle of consumption of all Matter and Energy back into it's natural State, Dark Matter/Dark Energy

Hmm, it was Just A Thought,

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mmmm I'm not so sure, Black Holes are only created when a massive star collapses, gravity is present then because it's the same concept as a sinking ship, everything around it gets sucked in and drug down with it........ I don't see how gravity could originate from black holes, simply because of the fact that ANYTHING that has mass, has their own gravity... I feather has gravity but it wasn't a black hole which caused it.