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psychadelibud
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Keystone-grower™
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Pics aren't showing for me.
HydroRed
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Twisting fan leaf blades, purple stems and greasy feeling stalks are signatures of the glue.
HydroRed
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http://rollitup.org/t/real-gg-4.902302/page-14#post-13017238
Check out this thread I started a cpl yrs ago. A plethora of GG4 wisdom & pictures from some true glue heads in here.
Check out this thread I started a cpl yrs ago. A plethora of GG4 wisdom & pictures from some true glue heads in here.
psychadelibud
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Yeah man my glues all have the twisting and 3 blade fans here and there. Purple stems and all and really healthy. Looks just like that photo.
I will check that link out soon bro that you posted as well.
But when I checked them out its not only the Glues that are showing twisting but the Head Bangers and Corey's are too. The 413 isn't showing any twisting nor is the Chem' 91.
I got my scope out and looked up and down about half of them and especially around the leaves that are twisted and showing leaf curl upwards. On a couple of plants a
I also seen the claw on maybe one or two leaves but not bad at all. The leaf is still healthy and not overly green and I know for Sure it isn't nitrogen toxicity.
Since I have had them they have never had a watering to run off. The other night I watered one completely instead of just around the edges like I do outdoor "with great results" and when I poured the water in, I noticed all kinds of bubbles coming up as the water was sinking down into the soil. That leads me to believe I have lots of air trapped into the soil and it was filling air pockets.
Do you think air pockets could cause these issues? I really don't think it is mites but from my last experience with BM you don't act see them until its too late. Promix has always been a funny medium. I have good results watering thoroughly, around the edges only, with run off and without run off.
I seen a guy over icmag that grow a in promix and he has excellent results. With solid buds from the base to the top as long as my arm in 5 gallon grow bags just like me. I messaged to ask him about his watering method he personally uses and I noticed he has not been online for like 6 months now, so I may not be getting an answer.
I have always had good results with promix too but usually have compost and EWC mixed in the medium as well.
psychadelibud
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Anyone else not seeing the pics I posted? They are showing on mine.
I seen them. They look good.
Twisting leafs is a sign of nitrogen toxicity
Ease up on the N.
2.5 -5-5 is about right to keep most plants healthy .
If the want a little more bump them with a little Cal mag with a added N of one.
These are just my thoughts brother.
I sometimes hate throwing my two cents in because I sound controlling .
It's your grow you have to do what you see fit. You are the one in the conditions of the grow not me.
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Keystone-grower™
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Got em now, don't know what it was. Glitch on my end probably
psychadelibud
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Hey bro you have been a big help and always give good information. I don't see ya as controlling man, I love hearing other people opinions... That is how we learn. There are some pricks out there, especially on this forum particularly that if you share opinion or experience they literally trip out like little school girl bitches... And I am NOT on of them. Those types of people are truly unhappy and are very inexperienced in life and at growing and you can clearly tell.
So I do appreciate your advice brother. I can tell by your setup and the photos of those fat ass buds that you know what you are doing.
Were those grown in promix? I seen the perlite in the bucket in that one pic, how did you water those? Drip irrigation?
psychadelibud
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@HydroRed I have been reading some on that GG thread. Great information from what I have read.
In short, could you please sum up the conditions for optimal growth, yield and potency on the GG? I can already tell its a mag whore for sure. I can also tell it is pretty lanky as well. I want long compact solid colas. I am gonna try and mod it to where I can get that.
I read you didn't do so well with it on your first run. What did you do wrong and how did you correct it?
In short, could you please sum up the conditions for optimal growth, yield and potency on the GG? I can already tell its a mag whore for sure. I can also tell it is pretty lanky as well. I want long compact solid colas. I am gonna try and mod it to where I can get that.
I read you didn't do so well with it on your first run. What did you do wrong and how did you correct it?
psychadelibud
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Oh and that sap leaking out was awesome. I have seen that before on a friends plant.
HydroRed
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Feed with heavy N during veg and first 3 wks of flower. She can take it. Dont go to bloom feed until stretch is done either. She will stretch 2-3 times what she is when flipped and is very hard to keep nodes close. Even if you try to control the stretch with MH light or keeping the light close, its useless. She does what she wants once you flip to 12/12.
My first run with her I didnt hit her hard enough with N in veg, and gave her bloom nutes before she stopped stretching and in turn she gassed out on me at like the beginning of week 6 and the whole plant went yellow. Reduced my yield big time because she gassed out right when it should have been swelling buds. Live and learn.
I've seen some weird stuff in cannabis.
I've had a plant "bleed" before when I topped it....and it was on Halloween night too haha:
I've had whorled phyllotaxy buds:
I've currently got a leaf with a hair on the tip growing from the center of a fan leaf:
I've also had a plant top itself before:
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The plants are grown in straight perlite in ebb and grow. One section was grown in AN sensi two part. One section grown with botanicare organic pro formula.
The chocolate diesel ( large clubs few leafs) was grown in rockwool on Lucas formula . Micro and bloom only.
Neither the botanicare or the Lucas have almost any N in it at all,
Most growers are force feeding their plants. The plant picks up this food and stores it within itself to keep it's self alive as long as possible.
This will effect the final taste smell and burn of the final product. It will also effect the growth stretch and finish time of the plant.
Nitrogen is poison to marijuana and should be kept very low. There is always plenty stored within in itself to do it's thing.
I am a big fan of perlite as it holds water well, drains very well and holds piles of air. It is impossible to drown the plant or get root rot.
I have seen a lot of things. I just got back from the triangle and get to see and talk to a lot of growers. This is my profession , it's not a hobby with me , I was professional grower and now consultant for other growers ( most of them have no idea what they are doing) except a very small handful of growers ( very small)
I take almost no pictures of anyone's grows,
I used to listen to growers on here, some of them ok growers some good. Not many great ones I have seen but a few.
I set up a test grow room to experiment with and done a side by side tests against different gear, plants and strains, growing methods and nutrient systems, light bulbs. Everything you can think of side by side.
The day I stop learning is the day I die . Always something new to learn and if you get so smart you can never learn anything new you just become stupid.
I like a growing method that completely submerged the root system with water, that way the whole root system can up take what it wants making the Buds bigger. ( Talking of indoor only)
I like to see lots of air and water in the root zone.
Feeding the plant is not a magic bullet to huge buds, it is a magic bullet to fucking them up though.
Larger buds are obtained by trimming and training the plant.
The conditions of a grow must be set as close to perfect as you can have it.
These are some of my opinions ,
psychadelibud
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Great information on that GG man. Thank you for that. I have noticed that a few of the fan leaves on the GG are already covered in trichs. Its gonna be one resinous mother I can tell that right off the bat!
I am going to start dedicating most of my efforts in the GG to keep her short and stacked. I just thought, of two things that may possibly help out on keeping her low. For one, Kelp is known to slow down stretch and make the plants stockier, kinda like a natural Gravity or Paclo product. I have noticed a huge difference in using Kelp on plants than without it. It does keep them shorter and bushier for sure. So kelp will definitely always be a thing for her. And two, y'all seen how well foiliar feeding can turn a plant around. Within a week my girls have really made a big change. So what about possibly starting the bloom nutes in week one of 12/12, but doing routine foiliar sprays with the EJ sea blast grow which is absorbed super fast through the pores and is rated 17-7-17 which is very dominant in nitrogen. That would keep her green, surely... Plus she would be getting the benefits of the increased P as well. Which in my case I use AN Sensi bloom a & b bloom and AN believes in keeping the plants green all the way through to harvest, they create their formulas with a more soluble nitrogen base compared to most bloom nutes. I may be on to something here with the foiliar.
Now don't get me wrong, I know that it is not recommended to foiliar fees your plants during flower but a lot people miss out on the point... Point is, you don't want to spray them with anything once the buds start forming and especially once they begin to get dense. I have always foiliar fed in flower all the way up to week 4 in indicas and Indica dom hybrids or fast blooming sativas like c99 for example and up to week 6 or 7 on sativa dom hybrids and landraces. I know primordial solutions makes a flowering product that works well for flowering and it is directed to use as a foiliar during flower.
Honestly, if the bud was for my own personal consumption and I was growing out a strain known to stretch like that I would not mind using a paclo based product such bush master or flower dragon, but it is not just grown for personal consumption so I don't be responsible for putting someone else's health in danger. Yeah I know they contain known carcinogens but cigarettes have much worse chemicals in them than paclo and I have smoked cigarettes for a long long time (unfortunately)... Even store bought produce can be compared at a greater risk than PGR's.
Red, I don't know if you would be interested but Humboldt Nutrients makes a new Gravity called G-10 that replaced the old paclo formula. I have used it with very superb results and it does work very well and contains no chemical based PGRs. That would help with stretch and I believe its main ingredient is kelp based.
Im gonna do some brain storming and I have several GG cuts I am running at the moment so maybe I can run tests on each Glue and which formula/method slows stretch and produces the most stacked buds with minimal internodal stretch. Sounds like a plan to me, indeed!
i used to use PGRs all the time, many of the foods we eat and have for decades have been grown with them,Great information on that GG man. Thank you for that. I have noticed that a few of the fan leaves on the GG are already covered in trichs. Its gonna be one resinous mother I can tell that right off the bat!
I am going to start dedicating most of my efforts in the GG to keep her short and stacked. I just thought, of two things that may possibly help out on keeping her low. For one, Kelp is known to slow down stretch and make the plants stockier, kinda like a natural Gravity or Paclo product. I have noticed a huge difference in using Kelp on plants than without it. It does keep them shorter and bushier for sure. So kelp will definitely always be a thing for her. And two, y'all seen how well foiliar feeding can turn a plant around. Within a week my girls have really made a big change. So what about possibly starting the bloom nutes in week one of 12/12, but doing routine foiliar sprays with the EJ sea blast grow which is absorbed super fast through the pores and is rated 17-7-17 which is very dominant in nitrogen. That would keep her green, surely... Plus she would be getting the benefits of the increased P as well. Which in my case I use AN Sensi bloom a & b bloom and AN believes in keeping the plants green all the way through to harvest, they create their formulas with a more soluble nitrogen base compared to most bloom nutes. I may be on to something here with the foiliar.
Now don't get me wrong, I know that it is not recommended to foiliar fees your plants during flower but a lot people miss out on the point... Point is, you don't want to spray them with anything once the buds start forming and especially once they begin to get dense. I have always foiliar fed in flower all the way up to week 4 in indicas and Indica dom hybrids or fast blooming sativas like c99 for example and up to week 6 or 7 on sativa dom hybrids and landraces. I know primordial solutions makes a flowering product that works well for flowering and it is directed to use as a foiliar during flower.
Honestly, if the bud was for my own personal consumption and I was growing out a strain known to stretch like that I would not mind using a paclo based product such bush master or flower dragon, but it is not just grown for personal consumption so I don't be responsible for putting someone else's health in danger. Yeah I know they contain known carcinogens but cigarettes have much worse chemicals in them than paclo and I have smoked cigarettes for a long long time (unfortunately)... Even store bought produce can be compared at a greater risk than PGR's.
Red, I don't know if you would be interested but Humboldt Nutrients makes a new Gravity called G-10 that replaced the old paclo formula. I have used it with very superb results and it does work very well and contains no chemical based PGRs. That would help with stretch and I believe its main ingredient is kelp based.
Im gonna do some brain storming and I have several GG cuts I am running at the moment so maybe I can run tests on each Glue and which formula/method slows stretch and produces the most stacked buds with minimal internodal stretch. Sounds like a plan to me, indeed!
the same with avid to kill mites and other bugs,,we have been eating it for years,
the only problem with some of the products like the avid or floramite is the gowers do not use them as directed on the bottle,
alot of the growers are moving to organic bug killers like method one,
there is a PGR made called bush load, it says not to use on plants for human consumption but like i said we have been eating them for years,
i used to foiler feed but found alot of times it caused more issue than not, so i cut it down to once a week with ph ballenced water and h2o2 , this helps stop any PM issues before they ever get started, also bud rot issues,
if the airflow and humidity is correct you will never see bud rot,
most growers are never pro active to prevent a problem but reactive to fix or solve problems,
psychadelibud
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I have always used high nitrogen based growth formulas in the great outdoors in my guerrilla grows during veg and have always had good results, but I agree with you on Nitrogen being used in excess by lots of growers, even those with years of experience. The key is knowing how much to apply, when and how often to apply and how you apply it, no matter the dominant N rating.
Indoors however, I personally use much lower rated Nitrogen based foods and formulas also with different routines and methods of application. Even though HPS are super intense they compare nothing at all the HID outdoor in the sky.
I agree with you on the root system as well. Without a robust/dense root system with poor air oxygenation, you are definitely missing out on the maximum potential of your plants. I always build a nice, white, healthy, huge and hairy root system while giving it the ability and option to as much as possible to be able to reach out with no restrictions in boundaries in the outdoor guerilla garden...... Indoors, giving the plants roots system endless maximum boundaries is nearly impossible, especially with a small setup. So I always focus on using containers large enough when growing indoor, to allow the plant at its given vegetative growth cycle to be able to expand its root system to its maximum potential without sacrificing oxygen availability, absorbtion and exposure while also keeping things compact and manageable to suit my space limitations.
What works for me with building a robust and healthy root system other than what I listed above (oxygen, space, high porosity etc) is what I feed them. A lot of growers I see make the mistake of putting all of their efforts in feeding the "plant" and sadly only bring their attention to the roots if they believe there is a problem or issue they simply cannot figure out. The WORSE part about that also, is that is the LAST place they think about (literally the last resort) and have in mind when trying to fix an "above ground issue"... So in other words, about 70% of the growers I know, do not even focus on the roots at all, period... -The ROOTS are and always will be the LIFE of the plant, whereas they see the PLANT as the LIFE of the PLANT-...
A lot of back and forth here with my post lol, but back to the "this is what I feed them" part. I make sure they get plenty of mycorrhizae, kelp or sea weed extracts, b vitamins, aminos and carbohydrates. And I make sure that what I FEED the ROOTS, ensures that the ROOTS are able to FEED the PLANT, at its maximum potential.
You really do know your stuff bro, I can tell by your posts that you run things the way they need to be ran. I have the up most respect for you teaching others how to grow at their best potential.
I have not been to California in many many of many years. I wish i'd got to tag along lol. I miss it there. I was born and raised in the Bluegrass but moved to California for 3 years and loved it back then...
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I have done side by sides with h2o2 and bennies, the bennies out preformed h2o2 by a lot,
all you need to do is establish a colony and keep it fed,
growing outdoors is a different beast than indoors, most of the same principals apply though,
still most of the outdoor guys I know that kill it cut way way back on N when the flowering starts, this will allow the plant to burn off stored nitrogen,
I am not a fan even outdoors of too much nitrogen, I believe less is more when it comes to feeding a marijuana plant,
I will post a few more pictures if you do not mind,
i cant agree with you enough about beneficial bacteria, there are millions of different kinds of them,
I have done side by sides with h2o2 and bennies, the bennies out preformed h2o2 by a lot,
all you need to do is establish a colony and keep it fed,
growing outdoors is a different beast than indoors, most of the same principals apply though,
still most of the outdoor guys I know that kill it cut way way back on N when the flowering starts, this will allow the plant to burn off stored nitrogen,
I am not a fan even outdoors of too much nitrogen, I believe less is more when it comes to feeding a marijuana plant,
I will post a few more pictures if you do not mind,
