Question to all.

First of im new here so this is my first post. ive grown before but never too into it. i have moved out nd wish to go all out with this.

I know that you can create new strands by merging plants together and such. This is something i m interested in doing, yet no clue on how or best methods, or even where to start. so wht ever you know on merging plants or w.e please let me know.

thanks.

juggalo4life said:

First of im new here so this is my first post. ive grown before but never too into it. i have moved out nd wish to go all out with this.

I know that you can create new strands by merging plants together and such. This is something i m interested in doing, yet no clue on how or best methods, or even where to start. so wht ever you know on merging plants or w.e please let me know.

thanks.

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Hey J,

The most basic method as I understand it, is as nature would do. Pollen from a male sprinkled/dusted over female flowers. Your choice is which variety.

The tricky bitis that the pollinated female will produce offspring that are all different (within a limited range of its parents genetics). These offspring are a so called unstable cross.

I'm a bit more hazy on the stabilising process, but it involves choosing offspring with the traits you want ie size, yield, strength, taste and stone/High. And then crossing these offspring back with the original parent.

I,m not sure whether you do this with the male or female parent, so someone else is going to need to step in here.

Basically, you might get lucky and produce a freak plant that you can keep as a mother and clone, but otherwise, creating a stable strain with only 2 or 3 phenotypes (variation within a strain) takes several generations.

I think........

JM

Wow. You are about to embark on a long and slow adventure, that could result in some amazing outcomes.

It takes several generations to come up with your own, stable strain. You will need a room with lots of room for your experiments and lots of time. I have a text on breeding in my library. Here are some key notes:

Breeding
If you have a nice strong mother, you may want to take it to seed. This is where you will begin your own strain. You will need a female plant that is flowering and a male plant that is flowering. You basically want to take the pollen from the male plant and get it on your female. If you have just the 2 plants, then you can just shake the male plant around the female and let the pollen fall on it. If you have several females or only want to pollinate a few buds, then you will want to collect the pollen separately by taking some pollen sacks and putting them in a plastic bag and give it a shake. You'll want to do this rather far away from your females. I am assuming that this was already the case because you don't want to leave a flowering male near your females as they mature. Remove the pollen sacks from the bag and carefully place the bag over the buds you wish to pollinate, also away from the other females, and give it a shake. Remove the bag and mist your female with water and let a fan blow on it for a minute to shoo away any loose pollen. Once dry, put the female back. The seeds will swell and when they are mature, they will split the seed pod. Keep only the largest, darkest, and hardest ones. That was generation 0.
Generation 1
Now you have some seeds. Lets say 50. Now remember, this is a hybrid of a hybrid so what you plant wont be exactly like either the mother or father. With these seeds, plant 10 of them and grow them as you normally would, but do not remove the males. When it comes time to flowering, keep only the biggest, best male and pollinate the biggest, best female. Grow the female and collect the seeds (50). You are now one generation removed from the hybrid, but you don't have your own strain yet. Generation 2
You should have 40 seeds still from your first breeding. Plant 10 more of these and collect the pollen from the best male. At the same time, plant 10 of your new seeds. Pollinate the females from the new seed with the pollen from the male from the old seeds.
Generation 3
Now you have three sets of seeds. You should have 30 old seeds, 40 seeds from the last harvest, and 50 new seeds. Plant 10 of the new seeds and 10 of the first set of seeds. Pollinate the best female from the old seeds with the best male from the new seeds. Harvest these seeds and plant 10 of them.
Generation 4
Pollinate the best female with the best male and collect the seeds.
Generation 5
Do this one more time using all new seeds.
Generation 6
Once the plants mature and produce seeds, these seeds are now your own strain that should be genetically stable.

This could take a minimum of 2 years to do and there still may be some genetic abnormalities that occur from time to time. For the casual grower this may not be worth it and those who like brand name seeds would think this is a waste of time to do with bagseed. However, bagseed can contain genes of some really great plants and with selective breeding, you can create an almost pure sativa, if you have the time and space. The more you do this with the best males and females generation after generation, the purer your genetics will be and the more favorable trait you can impart into the plant.

Data Collection
Keeping accurate notes and records is a key to successful plant-breeding. Crosses among ten pure strains (ten staminate and ten pistillate parents) result in ten pure and ninety hybrid crosses. It is an endless and inefficient task to attempt to remember the significance of each little number and colored tag associated with each cross. The well organized breeder will free himself from this mental burden and possible confusion by entering vital data about crosses, phenotypes, and growth conditions in a system with one number corresponding to each member of the population.
The single most important task in the proper collection of data is to establish undeniable credibility. Memory fails, and remembering the steps that might possibly have led to the production of a favorable strain does not constitute the data needed to reproduce that strain. Data is always written down; memory is not a reliable record. A record book contains a numbered page for each plant, and each separate cross is tagged on the pistillate parent and recorded as follows: "seed of pistillate parent X pollen or staminate parent." Also the date of pollination is included and room is left for the date of seed harvest. Samples of the parental plants are saved as voucher specimens for later characterization and analysis.

1 - The dried seeded flower clusters are free of staminate flowers that might have caused hermaphrodite pollinations.
2 - The flowering clusters are tested for desirable traits and seeds selected from the best.
3 - Healthy, robust seeds are selected. Large, dark seeds are best; smaller, paler seeds are avoided since these are usually less mature and less viable.
4 - If accurate information is not available about the pollen parent, then selection proceeds on common sense and luck. Mature seeds with dried calyxes in the basal portions of the floral clusters along the main stems occur in the earliest pistillate flowers to appear and must have been pollinated by early-maturing pollen parents. These seeds have a high chance of producing early-maturing offspring. By contrast, mature seeds selected from the tips of floral clusters, often surrounded by immature seeds, are formed in later-appearing pistillate flowers. These flowers were likely pollinated by later-maturing staminate or hermaphrodite pollen parents, and their seeds should mature later and have a greater chance of producing hermaphrodite off spring. The pollen parent also exerts some influence on the appearance of the resulting seed. If seeds are collected from the same part of a flower cluster and selected for similar size, shape, color, and perianth patterns, then it is more likely that the pollinations represent fewer different gene pools and will produce more uniform offspring.
5 - Seeds are collected from strains that best suit the locality; these usually come from similar climates and latitudes.
6 - Pure strain seeds are selected from crosses between parents of the same origin.
7 - Hybrid seeds are selected from crosses between pure strain parents of different origins.
8 - Seeds from hybrid plants, or seeds resulting from pollination by hybrid plants, are avoided, since these will not reliably reproduce the phenotype of either parent.

Seed stocks are graded by the amount of control exerted by the collector in selecting the parents.
Grade #1 - Seed parent and pollen parent are known and there is absolutely no possibility that the seeds resulted from pollen contamination.
Grade #2 - Seed parent is known but several known staminate or hermaphrodite pollen parents are involved. Grade #3 - Pistillate parent is known and pollen parents are unknown.
Grade #4 - Neither parent is known, but the seeds are collected from one floral cluster, so the pistillate seed parent age traits may be characterized.
Grade #5 - Parentage is unknown but origin is certain, such as seeds collected from the bottom of a bag of imported Cannabis.

Its a lot of reading, but there is so much more.....

stick with a strain you like and work to improve it, keep the line clean

I'd say get the growing part down before thinking aboutbreeding.

Don't expect a merical in the beginning.Start simple and move up to experimenting in time.Best of luck OREGON024

hey thnk you all, really apreciate these (and the timlyness) for your responses.

ive been growing for 5 years and i have the knoledge to grow, im really interested in creating a new strain, and thank god i got the time. im also thinking about taking a growing class t my local collage. (of course they grow legal plants but methods are very simalar id have to assume.)

it seems to me like it could be a fun hobby but its just so much fucking time and effort that could be spent producing bud. especially when theres so many awesome strains out there already. and shit gets confusing when you get into inbreeding to narrow down the good traits and recessive genes and characteristics of the plant that are affected by several different genes.

But ya looks like everyone else is giving you good info. you really just need to get familiar with mendelian inheritance. and read Marijuana Botany by Robert Clark. Very sciency and old school but i doubt you could find better information anywhere

This is a question that is easy to answer all you need is to buy or get hold of some regular seeds.It would be easy to say any seeds and any would work but there are certain seeds that produce and ones that don't.Just put a male and female plant side by side and let them run the full cause of the grow time.The male will pollanate the female all on it's own but you will not get any bud once the female has been pollanted she will stop produceing buds and put all her growing into seed production.Look for a afganica or northan lights skunk no1 all these make for perfect breeding.I have just done a white rhino/great white shark cross and this has to be the biggest producer that i have ever grown or seen any where.I also have had a cross of mk ultra and hash plant going for some time now and i will post pictures of the next grow that i do of these two strains.The mk ultra and the has plant has never produced less than 2 oz dry flowered at 7 ince tall lovely.The best thing about breeding is thinking of new names i went to my local pub and someone was talking about this strain that was going around now so he showed me some low and behold it was my g.w.shark and white rhino ovely feeling that gave me.But i never told him i was the one who bred the strain.I trust no one in this game no one.Male pollan can be a nightmare to get rid of so i would recomend just have the 2 plants you want to cross going no others and then once the grow has done bleach everything for at least a week.The best tip that you can get if you realy want to breed cannabis is wait till end of summer take a couple of plants out your male and the female put them side by side and this way you don't have to worry about any missed pollan.Make sure you shower after touching these plants and wash the cloths if you still have plants growing indoors.