Questions about 250w hps grow closet

republicgrower

New Member
ok guys this will be my final post untill i begin the grow report. I will be lining a wardrobe with survival blankets, wiring 3 140mm pc fans into the wardrobe (2 at the top (exgaust) and one at the bottom (intake .. ) . Im going to be using a 250w hps dual spectrum grow light reflector (Masterblaster 250w hps dual spec) im gonna use some canna terra vegra nutrients for the whole grow because i cant be assed buying any more unless i really need too or the plant has a nute diefficiency. ill be growing the royal queen white widow seeds (feminized) (gonna be starting the grow with this http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/141-seedkit.html ) ad then transferring them into the pots i bough as i go. I was wondering do i have everything coverd? ill be growing 3 plants inside this wardrobe. Thanks again guys i just need to know what you guys think before starting the grow! peace out :) keep on growing
 

jazlm

Active Member
IMHO, 3 plants under one 250w light is to many. How long were you planning on letting them veg for? I would recommend running one plant using the Scrog method. You would end up with roughly the same amount of smoke and still have 2 beans left. 250w isn't really a whole lot of light, as it will not penetrate the canopy very well when the girls get bigger.
I run 2 plants under a 400w light, and that is just enough. I like to veg for 5-6 weeks depending on how vigorous the strain is.
Just my $.02, hope it helps bro.
 

republicgrower

New Member
thanks for the reply, so your saying one plant? not even two? this lamp does produce 33 thousand lumens and does have the extra blue spectrum for faster growth during vegging? i think i might go with two seeds at least, im not too sure thgough as white widow is quite small and wont produce craazy amounts of yeild, ill be vegging for about 7 weeks in total and 9 weeks in flower ()or whatever amnount of time it takes) do you think my setup will be alright though? does everything else sound good?
 

Jaxtaz

Member
A Carbon filter is pretty essential. One plant generally is enough to stink up the whole house, or whatever kinda castle you live in.
 

republicgrower

New Member
im not going to be spending any money on a carbon filter as its just not needed for my grow, i will be able to contain the smell as its in a spare room on the top floor (my house is pretty small) doi you think i have everything else sorterd and it will be a good enviroment for the plant?
 

hermex

Active Member
It sounds like you've thought of light, ventilation, soil, and nutrients. I've done cabinet/tent grows and can offer some advice, but let me first say that what you've outlined will work for you, you may just encounter temp issues. I'll mention number of plants too, but after talking about your cabinet.

In my experiences using fans not designed for the purpose of growing (PCs, squirrel cage, bathroom fans, duct boosters) you don't get the airflow you are expecting and end up wasting your time and money. In my experience putting non-vented HPS hoods in a small space....it gets hot. You have the right idea of having intake and exhaust, I hope your surrounding area is cool or can be made cool during your light cycle so that your intake air is like an air conditioner. Regarding light and heat: with your small space a cool tube is probably the right way to do it. With that you'd run a high power vortex fan, likely 6" and mounted to the top outside of the wardrobe along with the ballast...at this point I'd go with a 400W instead of 250...with the PC fans eliminates the carbon filter option. Either way, you'll need LOTS of airflow, so plan on having a couple clip on oscillating fans. I've done small spaces where I use a high power vortex fan at the bottom, blow in the cabinet, and let all the heat 'smokestack' out the top

Survival blankets, or any very reflective surface, can create hot spots and burn your plants. Flat white paint will provide all the reflection you need and be best for your plants...which will likely be touching your walls, I assume.

I can only talk about my medium and nutrient choices, so make sure you know how yours interact and when to give them before making that choice.

Number of plants...such a question. For me, it's dictated by the registry program or it would be 500, haha. Time to learn buddy, not time to be a master yielder. Give one plant your full attention. I'd get one going under a small pigtail cfl, let her get some leaves built up while the light is weak. Don't over water and give ventilation for stalk strength. Setup your cabinet and make sure your temps are ok (you don't really want to be outside of the 70s if you can help it...I get pissed if I hit 78 and start making adjustments, but that's just me...Have a small veg area setup with low temp CFLs and an oscillating fan...you can even run this 24hours if finding another dedicated dark area is tough for you, it won't hurt the plants. When your girl still has a quite pliable stem and a couple sets of branches, cut the branches off of one side and bend the plant as close to 90 as you can get without breaking it...lol, even if you do, don't freak out, if there's even just one branch left she'll live. Here's the kind of bending I like to do....this started when she was much smaller though P1190092.jpgand then it eventually becomes something like this with an even canopy and many sites P1190091.jpg (metal coat hangers from wally world make great support/spreading utensils). Note how the branches are essentially clean except for the top cluster of branches? Yep, around here we don't have any use for wispy, leafy bud, that goes straight in the hash bin. Only hearty, thick, top buds allowed in jars or bags under this roof, period. And yes, that one in the lower left is a clone rooting in just a cup of un-ph'd tap water...I didn't believe it either, but it can be done. Message me if you are interested in hearing more about that cloning method, I wrote something up on my experience.

Anyways, the point is this: grow that one seed in your small 24hour veg area until she's big enough for your area, bend her out to get higher yield, but focus on growing quality, not quantity. If all goes well during you first veg, then start another seed after about a month or so. When you transfer your one girl to flower you'll have another behind her...you can even clone her if you are up for it by then. You can introduce another girl to the flower cabinet if you have space and time. putting something new into flower every two or three weeks gives you a harvest every two or three weeks! with a cabinet you probably have room for two, with 250w you really only have room for one with an immaculate canopy though, get the 400 or 600 cool tube and be happy later :-) If you run two in flower then run one 4 weeks before putting in the second. With a good grow, good genes, and ample veg time figure a worst case scenario of 1 oz per plant...hoping for waaaaaay better, just don't get your hopes up...you'll have an oz to last you a month until number two comes...by then you'll get better, you'll be rockin strong clones, having better plants out of veg, more bud sites with more concentrated buds...damn man, getting excited for you.

Hope this makes up for the lack of posts to views and provides something beneficial...it's all just opinion, you'll do fine with whatever you end up doing. Good Luck!
 

Jaxtaz

Member
I think you underestimate the smell mate, but you'll soon find out.
Everyone has there ways of cultivating, I'm certainly not going to push my methods on you.
Good luck man, I think you have the basics down. The rest is gonna be trial and error for what works best for YOU.

I look forward to your grow report, it should make things easier to give advice when I can see what you can, ya know?
Pictures, pictures, pictures....
 

republicgrower

New Member
hey guys thanks for the replies sorry i have been busy with planning and research the last few days! , i have quite a limited budget so the inline fan is out of question, i do not have thew money for a seed room so im going with a dual spectrum 250w hps for the sake of starting my seeds on a window untill a few inches out then under the dual spec, Thanks for your detailed reply i couldnt have asked for any better, if i can afford and inline fan could i atatch some duct to or near the hps light and connect two pc fans doubled together as an outake? would that work?
 

Bilbo Baggins

Well-Known Member
Its hard to add much more than the excellent replies to your enquiry above, except to say that I,m a closet grower in soil and use a 250W Metal Halide for vegging, moving up to a 400W Sodium for flowering. Smell for me is more of an issue during the drying period than during the grow itself, maybe its just by chance that white widow is one of the less smelly strains, so with the use of maybe ONA GEL and a couple of other well placed masking agents you might be able to get through the grow without many major issues. Maybe some day you could fit an inline fan and carbon filter, good luck with your grow and if I see you're journal I'll be keeping an interested eye open--good luck
 
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