Quick Question about Myler

Darren06

Active Member
ok so im building a new grow box for my plants, i got a 250w HPS bulb, my question is:
does all myler be anti-infrared? and is it important factor if growing in an attic?

My local hydro store is selling myler by the meter, you can get the black on white at 4.50euro or this anti-infered stuff its 10euro!! quite expensive

lLink: http://secure.hydroponics-ireland.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_55&products_id=640

Any suggestions? i need to get this box up and running tomorrow :blsmoke:
 

Hotwired

Well-Known Member
Mylar is good for reflection and nothing else. You would need the IR blocking panels for what you are talking about.
 

Darren06

Active Member
Mylar is good for reflection and nothing else. You would need the IR blocking panels for what you are talking about.
Ok, i may aswell go for the Black on White, and maybe later on get the IR Blocking panels..
is it much of a problem with a 250w HPS or am i been too paranoid?:L
 

oreganics

Active Member
250w HPS doesn't produce enough of a heat signature to worry about in an attic do your grow box and enjoy, The authorities have way too much on their plate to concern themselves with what is essentially a 250w heater.
 

CDXX

Active Member
While different locales view marijuana differently, I think you would be hard pressed to find a police department willing to spend the time, money, and energy staking out your house with IR cameras for a grow using only 250w of light. I'm not even sure if the heat produced would be powerful enough to be easily distinguished from the ambient heat already present in your home. If you're really worried about getting caught, I suggest you spend your time focusing on reducing the smell of your grow.
 

CDXX

Active Member
I just cut Mylar with scissors. It acts a lot like wrapping paper, I just find the edge, and smoothly slide the scissors across
 

Brick Top

New Member
There are several variations of a Mylar product that have a great amount of heat radiation blocking, up to something like 98% of radiated heat in the best of them. Originally it was designed for the military, to block being targeted by heat signature, It became used in building of some higher quality homes because it retains so much heat making them more efficient, but it is not cheap stuff.

While I have never read the actual law I have read that such products are not legally sold in the U.S. I have seen online sites that sell them and they said they did not sell/ship to the U.S. so any U.S. customers might have a bit of a difficult time finding it if they want it ….. but then maybe not since what I have read about it being illegal might have been in error and the not selling/shipping to the U.S. might have been for other reasons.

Either way if it is a quality manufacturer’s version of such a product it will block most heat from radiating out of a grow area.

But then Mylar itself has a fairly high level of heat reflecting capabilities, it is just not sold/advertised as having it, so some argue if the additional amount is worth the additional expense.

Everyone has to decide about the IR blocking value but when it comes to Mylar in general, always purchase the thickest Mylar possible and if possible, and if not using an increased IR blocking form, go with Foylon if you can. The backing material makes the Mylar much tougher and longer lasting, and easier to work with so other than the increased IR blocking types of Mylar, it is the best option, and always the best if durability is most important to someone.
 

oreganics

Active Member
Also, it seems like you might be in Europe, but in the U.S. and Canada, Infrared evidence is usually inadmissible in court as it violates a citizen's right to privacy.
http://cannabisnews.com/news/16/thread16568.shtml
I hate to disagree but I am living proof that infrared devices used to discover large grows are admissible in a federal court ever since 911 you have no rights believe me I am paying the price with a class A felony now.
I am not allowed to get on an airplane along with half of my other privileges as a US citizen are gone it sux bad so do be careful.
 

brandon.

Well-Known Member
I hate to disagree but I am living proof that infrared devices used to discover large grows are admissible in a federal court ever since 911 you have no rights believe me I am paying the price with a class A felony now.
I am not allowed to get on an airplane along with half of my other privileges as a US citizen are gone it sux bad so do be careful.
I think the key word there is large grows. I doubt they'd even bother to use infrared on a 250w setup.
 

CDXX

Active Member
I hate to disagree but I am living proof that infrared devices used to discover large grows are admissible in a federal court ever since 911 you have no rights believe me I am paying the price with a class A felony now.
I am not allowed to get on an airplane along with half of my other privileges as a US citizen are gone it sux bad so do be careful.
Well, I am no lawyer, but the controlling case law for this issue can be found here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-8508.ZS.html

What this decision means is that infrared surveillance cannot be used as probable cause for a search warrant. If the police already have a warrant, or have other evidence of a grow, they can use infrared evidence to support their other techniques. Basically, infrared scans constitute as a "search" under the 4th amendment, so the police must show cause. I'm not saying that the cops can't use infrared, I'm saying they can't solely use it as the basis for a search warrant in court.

That's why I said its "usually not admissible". Because, if it is, that probably means that the cops already had enough dirt on you to justify to a judge that they should be allowed to use infrared.

What the cops could do is use infrared, figure out you have a grow, then put you under physical surveillance, or monitor your electricity, or other things like that to gather more traditional evidence which can be used to secure a warrant.

However, as I said previously, I am highly doubtful that the police are going to be able to detect the heat from a 250 watt in a casual scan of the area. I can't imagine it would be able to raise the room temperature more than a few degrees, which would generally not be enough to provide any sort of conclusive lead as to whether or not something is growing in the house. Usually FLIR is only used to detect the heat signatures of commercial grows, which are difficult to hide. Quite frankly, an mid-sized air conditioner will probably vent more heat than a 250 watt lamp; 250 watts is not much bigger than some larger household fixtures.

As I said, I'd be much more worried about the smell, which is much easier to detect, than from the heat signature your house would generate on a helicopter mounted FLIR camera.
 

oreganics

Active Member
The grow was a legal grow there were 96 legal plants there the federal government does flyovers all the time, yes still, more so now since 911,actually they use satellites now GPR (ground penetrating radar), as stated in the court room as I was being sentenced. The warrant clearly shows reason for suspicion the flyover infrared footage showing heat signature from the night before they had no prior information, I have never even had a traffic ticket, the grow operation was 17 days old in a new location, so there was no way they even knew me, as stated in court they said it was a lucky hit. I cannot say this enough, since 911 you have no rights, go ask your local precinct, all they need is suspicion, take all your amendments and throw them out the door you are at their mercy and we allowed it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse so please understand the laws before stating what is and what is not. I am sorry for hijacking this thread enough said on amendments and rights we have none.I also notice that the linked case incident and hearing were all before 911, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS! Believe me you have nothing to worry about be at peace it’s essentially a 250w heater as stated before.
 

oreganics

Active Member
That tent will do great grows I utilize the 4'11" x 4'11" x 6'11" same maker Jardin and has the IR reflective material in the tent they work great excellent light refraction hardly no light loss since it essentially reflects all light back to plants if you look at my medical grow you can get a glimps of what it looks like full of clones and mothers. Good luck.
 

Darren06

Active Member
That tent will do great grows I utilize the 4'11" x 4'11" x 6'11" same maker Jardin and has the IR reflective material in the tent they work great excellent light refraction hardly no light loss since it essentially reflects all light back to plants if you look at my medical grow you can get a glimps of what it looks like full of clones and mothers. Good luck.

Yea i got on ebay for 70 euros or 90 dollars, very cheap so it was a must. it worked out cheaper than buying myler/wood etc. looking forward to getting it up and running
 
Top