R/O systems..

Resin225

Active Member
I'm getting tired of getting water from the store. I want to buy a RO unit. I can't spend a lot, getting close to the end of my budget. I'm just going to use it for my small personal grow.
I have found a couple that are about $100. One from corallife is made for aquarium water, 24 gallons per day. Most of the cheaper ones seem to be 3 or 4 stage systems. My water is about 220 ppm from the tap.
What is everyone else using?
How much does your ppm drop when using ro?
Can anyone recommend a budget system they have tried.

I don't need a faucet, its going in the basement.
Do I need a tank? I can set up a 5 gal bucket to fill, then move to sealed 1 gal jugs.

I'll take any advice at this point, all the units seem to be pretty much the same, except for number of filters.
 

resinraider

Well-Known Member
I'm getting tired of getting water from the store. I want to buy a RO unit. I can't spend a lot, getting close to the end of my budget. I'm just going to use it for my small personal grow.
I have found a couple that are about $100. One from corallife is made for aquarium water, 24 gallons per day. Most of the cheaper ones seem to be 3 or 4 stage systems. My water is about 220 ppm from the tap.
What is everyone else using?
How much does your ppm drop when using ro?
Can anyone recommend a budget system they have tried.

I don't need a faucet, its going in the basement.
Do I need a tank? I can set up a 5 gal bucket to fill, then move to sealed 1 gal jugs.

I'll take any advice at this point, all the units seem to be pretty much the same, except for number of filters.
my tap water here is about 600-700 ppm, ater RO its 0... they have 1's at "horticulture source" for about 150... u do not need to install it, u run a garden hose in it so if ur in the basement, u should have a hose hook up for a washer... u do not need to fill a tank to store it, it gets filtered on the spot.. it produces 100 gals a day
 

beta0701

Well-Known Member
same resin,

Its called the hydro logic brand i believe, and its one of the best RO out there, got a 3:1 waste to good ratio, which is one of the best

Its a 3 stage, only like 180 bucks i think

Def worth it

It takes my 150ppm tap water to 0, but the ppm is wat kills me, its the chlorine, but it eliminates that as well

http://www.horticulturesource.com/irrigation-pumps-reverse-osmosis-ro-water-chillers-sprayers-tubing-filters-pond-etc-c30/hydro-logic-hydro-logic-8482-stealth-100-p941/?osCsid=6ae5d97cb135bc3b096b4c26347c6a5e

http://www.hydrologicsystems.com/content/blogcategory/13/119/
 

Bob Smith

Well-Known Member
same resin,

Its called the hydro logic brand i believe, and its one of the best RO out there, got a 3:1 waste to good ratio, which is one of the best

Its a 3 stage, only like 180 bucks i think

Def worth it

It takes my 150ppm tap water to 0, but the ppm is wat kills me, its the chlorine, but it eliminates that as well

http://www.horticulturesource.com/irrigation-pumps-reverse-osmosis-ro-water-chillers-sprayers-tubing-filters-pond-etc-c30/hydro-logic-hydro-logic-8482-stealth-100-p941/?osCsid=6ae5d97cb135bc3b096b4c26347c6a5e

http://www.hydrologicsystems.com/content/blogcategory/13/119/
Cosign on that - just got mine a couple of days ago, couldn't be easier.

Hooked it up to my hose, turned the hose on, and done.
 

fatman7574

New Member
Don't know about the price of the hydrologic system, but it is not really anything special. A standard three stage prefilter system with standard 10" cartridges. The RO membarne would have to be either a Dow FilmTech or an Applied membranes filter as they are the only manafcatures of standard home owner sized RO membranes rated at 100 gph that have a Rejection rate at a maximum 98%.

Actually it is a very minimal but good RO filter that is sold with a top quality RO membrane filter. I can almost guarantee the Filter Guys would sell you a better four stage filter with the same RO membrane for the same price. Here is the RO membrane. It is listed as a (98% rejection 100 gpd membrane). As you can see the 100 gpd best quality membrane is only $5 more than the best quality 75 gpd filter. So the cost fora four stge should be $141. That is obviously cheaper than the Hydrolic system and comes with three perfilters not just two.
http://www.thefilterguys.biz/ro_membranes.htm

As far as waste. They are all about 4 o to 5 gallons to waste for each gallon of RO water produced unless you put out be big bucks. the only other company that makes such ludicrous claims is SpectraPure and its system is over $1000 and has at least one pump annd other bells and whistles. It also does not perform as advertised. The Hydrologic still uses 4 to 5 gallons to waste for each gallon produced. Period. To do better than that you need extra pumps and/or divertor valves at a minimum.

here is no rocket science involved. Besides if you notice their ratings it is based upo water at a higher pressure and a hotter temperature than industry rating standards so the add is very deceptive as any other RO filters under those same parameters with the same RO membrane will perform exactly the same. A change in the color of the membarne housing is not going to change a membranes performance.

The industry has standards of testing just to prevent such deceptive advertising. A dealer can boost te inlet pressure and temperature even higher and then ck liam an even higher performing filter. My commercial RO filter has a 4" by 40" membarne and uses a 1 hp pump and a divertor valve and it still uses at laest 0.75 gallons of waste per each gallon of filtered water. It produces 100 gallons per hour. It sells retail for over $3500. I do not need that large of a system but I got it used very cheap, from a retail tropical fish store that went out of business. I use it to fill a 1000 gallon plastic water storage tank.

As far as an RO Filter producing water at a zero TDS. The very best commercial membranes are only rate at 98% minimum and 99% maximum. The very best home sized units are t arted at 96% minimum 98% maximum. If RO filters put out 100% pure water at zer TDS there would be no need to sell DI filters.

And no distilled water is not purer than RODI water. It is very difficult to obtain zero TDS water with even the best all galss laboratory distiller being operated/monitored constantly. Distiller are old technology and far from the best technology. Chemical manafacturers, hospitals, laboratories, electronics manafacturers and pharmecutical companies when they want ultra pure water use an RO filter and what is called nuclear grade DI resins, not distilled water.

In general if your TDS or conductivity meter says your RO water is zero ppm, then it needs recalibration. RO filters do not produce zero TDS water. If they did there would never be any reason for anyone to buy DI resin filters. Resins filters are used if you want zero ppm water because RO filters used alone (even with prefilters) will not provide it.
 

fatman7574

New Member
3 ppm is about right for 150 ppm tap water at normal temps and pressures. The Dow film Tech is rated at 98% at industry standard parameters: [150-(150*0.98)] = 3 ppm

Performance specifications based on 500 ppm tap water, 50 psi (0.35 MPa) applied pressure, 77°F (25°C) feed water temperature, feed water pH 7-8 and 15% recovery. Element permeate flow may vary ± 15%.

Notice 15% recovery means for each 10 gallons of water used you will get 1.5 gallons of RO water. No where near some adds that claim a 1:3 ratio. They were more believable when they just falsely claimed 1:5 or 2:10. Reality says 1.5 to 10.

Permeate is the rating of RO membranes water out put per day. i.e. If it say 100 gpd then that is its Permeate rating., plus or minus 15 gallons per day.
 
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