Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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KronicCraig
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Just started my first organic grow after being talked into bottled nutes by the guy at the hydro store. Dropped 3 sativa seedlings in some FF Happy Frog soil and plan on top dressing and spiking throughout their life cycle. After my two synthetic grown plants are finished, I'll be starting another organic bin and hope to stay away from bone/blood meal. Got lots of seaweed and aloe down here in FLA, should be straight for nitrogen, calcium, and trace minerals, add some epsom salt for magnesium and egg shells for pH; what are good natural sources for potassium and phosphorus? I've heard about using bananas but how would you prepare there for amending soil?
Greensand is a good source of potassium but only if you are recycling your soil since it is VERY slow release...which is also why it's so good.
Phosphorous - bone meal, fish bone meal, shrimp meal (also provides chitin!), soft rock phosphate.
Banana peel tea - banana peels and/or part of a banana boiled in water, then cool, strain and water with it.
You should read about worm composting too. The quality of your compost is really quite key to healthy soil and plants and you can feed your worms your rock dusts, greensand, kelp, etc and get all the useful benefits for the soil AND healthy microbial activity.
Phosphorous - bone meal, fish bone meal, shrimp meal (also provides chitin!), soft rock phosphate.
Banana peel tea - banana peels and/or part of a banana boiled in water, then cool, strain and water with it.
You should read about worm composting too. The quality of your compost is really quite key to healthy soil and plants and you can feed your worms your rock dusts, greensand, kelp, etc and get all the useful benefits for the soil AND healthy microbial activity.
roor8911
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hi there, recently got into growing and my first run is done but was terrible yield/quality because i did not fully understand organics, so went back to the forums and ordered my self a copy of teaming with microbes and i am hoping my third run will be better.
i havent had a chance to use a properly amended ss mix yet, as the first mix i made all the amounts were way out,
since i did not have another soil mix and it looked like some of the excessive amounts of organic material id added might of been used up by my first grow. i decided to just replant straight into this bodged mix for my second. This run is going 1000 times better already but only time will tell.....
Anyway i wanted to post my NEW soil mix up so you experts can have a look and see if its ok and balanced well enough
Thanks B
heres a recipe i have cooking at the moment
50l bio bizz all mix
2kg ewc
425g fish blood&bone
283g bat guano
170g rock phosphate
1.5 tblsp epsom salt
2tblsp dolomite lime
1 tsp per 2 inch of pot azomite
3/4 tblsp humic acid
300g kelp meal
150g oyster shell
20l coco coir horti grade
100g ssp (single super phosphate)
200g potash
i havent had a chance to use a properly amended ss mix yet, as the first mix i made all the amounts were way out,
since i did not have another soil mix and it looked like some of the excessive amounts of organic material id added might of been used up by my first grow. i decided to just replant straight into this bodged mix for my second. This run is going 1000 times better already but only time will tell.....
Anyway i wanted to post my NEW soil mix up so you experts can have a look and see if its ok and balanced well enough
Thanks B
heres a recipe i have cooking at the moment
50l bio bizz all mix
2kg ewc
425g fish blood&bone
283g bat guano
170g rock phosphate
1.5 tblsp epsom salt
2tblsp dolomite lime
1 tsp per 2 inch of pot azomite
3/4 tblsp humic acid
300g kelp meal
150g oyster shell
20l coco coir horti grade
100g ssp (single super phosphate)
200g potash
poopookaka
Member
i have a question about the sst. what does the second soak accomplish? as i understand it, sst v2 instructs to 1. soak seeds in water; 2. "rest" seeds in wet cloth; 3. soak again in water; 4. then put back in wet cloth.
i just did one soak and the seed are sprouting fine in the cloth. so, if i rinse after the first soak, what am i gaining by another transfer?
i just did one soak and the seed are sprouting fine in the cloth. so, if i rinse after the first soak, what am i gaining by another transfer?
st0wandgrow
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The second soak is supposedly when the enzymes are released .... which is what you're after. I've never done this myself as I tracked down a bag of the malted barley flour. I haven't noticed anything one way or another since I've been using it, but apparently now the sst V2 is being recommended again over the flour. Tough to keep track of all of these tips.
I love your user name too!
PeaceLoveCannabis
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I have used SST v2 and i can say i works well when foliar, or when i watered into the soil. They have been really happy the last couple of days! I plan on using it again soon.
SFV OG kush day 15 of veg.
SFV OG kush day 15 of veg.
Kalyx
Active Member
The first water must be discarded as it is full of anti microbial compounds that help protect the germinating seed from pathogens. The next rinse 'collects' the plethora of beneficial enzyme and other compounds being exuded in very high concentrations by the emerging root systems. These are what make our plants benefit so much from sst. I gotta work this in. Just alternating malted barely flour with soaked crushed 6 row malt and they seem to benefit. Fresh and alive is always superior though!
PLC definitely the real deal OG there. Hella spaced out, stemmy veg growth and lots of 3 bladed leaves. Don't worry she fills in a lot more than what she looks like early on! Enjoy that funk!
PLC definitely the real deal OG there. Hella spaced out, stemmy veg growth and lots of 3 bladed leaves. Don't worry she fills in a lot more than what she looks like early on! Enjoy that funk!
headbanger
New Member
What's up organic freaks!?!?
PeaceLoveCannabis
Well-Known Member
kalyx - Yeah this is the real deal og. (Sfv cut) I've been using different techniques to try to keep the height down.I had a bunch of 5ft tall one last run, i like to keep the height at about 3 - 4 ft max. She is stoney though, personally i like strains with less of a lemony hash taste but its still a good smoke.
Cann
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hehe headbanger what you doin round these parts??? buckle your seatbelt lol it's a bit different over here
PeaceLoveCannabis - enzyme teas are generally used for soil application only..there aren't many benefits to enzymes in the phyllosphere (not many reactions happening there compared to everything thats happening in the soil). i use barley and coconut water exclusively in the soil, no foliars.
try fulvic acid and aloe for a foliar
thats one of my favorites. w/ a bit of potassium silicate (agsil or pro-tekt) as well
PeaceLoveCannabis - enzyme teas are generally used for soil application only..there aren't many benefits to enzymes in the phyllosphere (not many reactions happening there compared to everything thats happening in the soil). i use barley and coconut water exclusively in the soil, no foliars.
try fulvic acid and aloe for a foliar
thats one of my favorites. w/ a bit of potassium silicate (agsil or pro-tekt) as well
whodatnation
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Hey everyone. I unsuccessfully try to lurk this thread, because I got a million and one things going on, but just came across these two vids and thought it fitting in such a place.
Im getting my rols on but have yet to dabble in no till in containers, my veggie garden is no till though.
Hope yall enjoy these as much as I did.
reace:
[video=youtube;YCTojU6H40c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTojU6H40c[/video]
Im getting my rols on but have yet to dabble in no till in containers, my veggie garden is no till though.
Hope yall enjoy these as much as I did.
reace:[video=youtube;YCTojU6H40c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCTojU6H40c[/video]
whodatnation
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[video=youtube;mAJyeIOaat4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJyeIOaat4&list=WL3F43055D8ECBF858[/video]
This thread (and the sources cited) is hands down the best information i've come across while researching my start in organics. Thank you everyone for your time and for imparting your knowledge.
I plan on picking up some coconut and aloe 200x powder for sure. I have a question on watering with them--what is the ratio per gallon? And is it ok to use every watering with protekt veg through harvest? (Note: I have 1 cup of azomite in 2 cubic ft of soil so I thought silica was covered, but protekt is ok in addition? I have some left over from hydro).
I was planning on using a basic EWC tea every other watering, so is it advisable to use barley seed extract in that brew being as I know heat is going to be an issue? What would be the ratios in a gallon of tea for that? Any other tips on dealing with heat stress would be great. While we're on tea....I have a big bottle of Floralicious Plus going unused (again left over from hydro), so would it be appropriate to use 1ml a gallon in the tea? I'll ditch it if is not appropriate...just wanted to get it used up.
Also wanted to get everyone's take on using a triacontanol product during flowering. Is this totally over the top and not needed?
I'm sorry if my questions are already covered elsewhere. I've done so much reading that i've sort of got a little bit unorganized!
Thanks again.
I plan on picking up some coconut and aloe 200x powder for sure. I have a question on watering with them--what is the ratio per gallon? And is it ok to use every watering with protekt veg through harvest? (Note: I have 1 cup of azomite in 2 cubic ft of soil so I thought silica was covered, but protekt is ok in addition? I have some left over from hydro).
I was planning on using a basic EWC tea every other watering, so is it advisable to use barley seed extract in that brew being as I know heat is going to be an issue? What would be the ratios in a gallon of tea for that? Any other tips on dealing with heat stress would be great. While we're on tea....I have a big bottle of Floralicious Plus going unused (again left over from hydro), so would it be appropriate to use 1ml a gallon in the tea? I'll ditch it if is not appropriate...just wanted to get it used up.
Also wanted to get everyone's take on using a triacontanol product during flowering. Is this totally over the top and not needed?
I'm sorry if my questions are already covered elsewhere. I've done so much reading that i've sort of got a little bit unorganized!
Thanks again.
PeaceLoveCannabis
Well-Known Member
I mainly use the enzyme teas for soil application. However it seems like after i spray a lactobacillus spray on the leaves and it dries i follow up with an enzyme spray. I would say the plants like it, and seem to benefit from it. I agree with you on the reactions happening in the soil, most likely because there is far more life in the soil then on the leaf surfaces. Not that there isn't any on the leafs either.
Organic Toker
Active Member
Thought of takin a walk through here once in a while, now am stuck 
I really really like lickin up all the info here yumm yumm..
I have been giving them some coco water and they seem to love it (lot mor than i do) Was thinking of makin some enzy tea with some pea/gram seeds. I'll tell how it goes later.
Watch ya grow n lay back puffin dat big fat j..
Peace!
I really really like lickin up all the info here
yumm yumm..I have been giving them some coco water and they seem to love it (lot mor than i do) Was thinking of makin some enzy tea with some pea/gram seeds. I'll tell how it goes later.
Watch ya grow n lay back puffin dat big fat j..
Peace!
