Republicans are full shIT

iblazethatkush

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Mars' ice caps are melting as well, it's scientific fact that the sun is getting hotter. This "man caused" global warming is bullshit, and this GLOBAL carbon tax they are trying to push in the name of global warming is bullshit (an attempt to get a tax to fund a global government)- wake up and do some research people.

The separate political parties don't matter anymore- they're all backed by the same bureaucrats and puppeteers. Everything they say is propaganda.
Exactly what I think. The sun goes through periods where it gets hotter or colder. Right now, it's getting hotter...I used to think man caused it, but now I'm convinced it would be happening anyways...Me and you are like this, son when it comes to politics *crosses fingers*
 

undertheice

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I see you have mastered doubletalk and gobblygook. Yeah I am a dreamer. I can envision a world where each individual cares as much for his neighbor as himself. I also realize that, that is a dream and reality sucks, But hope shines eternal. Forgive me for thinking mankind is a little more spiritual than you. I Realize that in my lifetime and probably my grandkids lifetimes, greed will rule the world, I'm not naive. I just have hope for the future, but realize that hope never solved anything. So what are solutions? anyone can forecast doom and despair. Come up with the big equation, then we'll talk.
wow, it's deja vu all over again. what has spirituality to do with the matter at hand? the concept of human greed is nearly universal, those in power have proven time and again that their only interest is the accumulation of more power and yet there are still those who will blindly follow these thieves in order to fulfill some deep seated need for self-flagellation. this isn't doom and gloom, it is merely the reality of the current state of politics. i realize that many would like to believe that al gore is some altruistic guru who had the presidency stolen from him and has gathered together the greatest minds on earth and uncovered this dire catastrophe. i can understand that there are those that honestly believe the un is a body intent on the greatest good for the peoples of the earth. hell, i'm even positive that there are a bunch of folks out there that are just too damn lazy to come to any conclusions for themselves and need someone else to spoon feed them their opinions. all of that doesn't change the fact that anything coming from the mouth of a politician is suspect and the entire global warming issue is a political one.

as for the grand answer you seek. we delusional ones have only pieces of the puzzle. we are anarcho-communalists who seek the destruction of any permanent governmental bodies and a return of power into the hands of the people. we firmly believe that moderation in all things brings the answers to most problems and that the greatest evils are usually caused by those who are following some extremist path. we fear for the future of this country because we see its people becoming polarized at the extremes and this can only cause the sort of trouble that ends entire civilizations.

I agree with you on some points- but why so pessimistic?

We have a recorded history of thousands upon thousands of years- we have documented the history of hundreds of empires. All of which come to an end. We must remember those people also viewed their life as we do- this is reality and it will always been like this. It won't. Nearly all governments, whether free at first or not, become full dictatorships- eventually over time, bureaucrats always get a hold of the power system. And while they may rule for a time, they ALWAYS fall. The concept of freedom deep in the human soul is inherent and un-extractable, and that will always triumph.
pessimistic? i would prefer to consider myself careful. greed, bureaucracy and mediocrity are what have always killed civilizations. with our knowledge of the falls of a thousand civilizations you'd think we might at least try to avoid some of the major pitfalls, but it seems we are incapable of learning from past mistakes. instead of reaching for perfection and failing, we reward the inferior and doom ourselves. the outcome is far from certain, but all of the signs of mediocrity run amok are there.

the desire for freedom is not enough to keep us from falling prey to the same ills which destroyed past societies. man's innate need for liberty is all too often overpowered by his desire for safety and he seems willing to endure any amount of slavery in order to secure sanctuary against the uncertain tides of life.

Undertheice- I also assume you don't have children...
you would assume incorrectly. my son is in his mid-twenties and less concerned with global warming than with trying to gain some measure of comfort before the bureaucrats and do-gooders can take it all away from him. he is no self-important pseudo-intellectual, just an ordinary working stiff waiting to see what tricks will be played on him next.
 

closet.cult

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Why do conservatives deny global warming and oppose just about anything to do with saving the enviroment yet the bible says you must protect the earth? I think it is b/c they only align the bible if their is a dollar sign behind it. Theres not much money in saving trees like there is with invading oil rich countrys. Or maybe they will save trees right after they save every mans butthole from a piercing penis?
you could also ask: why do not democrats demand that trees in the U.S. stop being cut down for paper and instead legalize hemp for this and ALL the other purposes if THEY are so interested in saving the environment.

the truth is, republicans and democrats have the same bosses: the rich bankers and buisnessmen. they tell the republicans to act like the rich elitest dicks and they tell the democrats to ask like tree hugging liberals so that they can present a divide in the nation and people like you can get stuck up in the fake divide and forget to ask the REAL, IMPORTANT questions like: why don't the majority of polititions in EITHER party want the war TO end and peace to rule the earth?

DO YOU GET IT?! quit looking for an excuse to divide up the country in the fake factions that the ruling elite have handed you. vote for a man of the people, one who strickly adhears to the constitution because it was written with YOUR rights in mind, no matter what his party.

and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.
 

medicineman

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as for the grand answer you seek. we delusional ones have only pieces of the puzzle. we are anarcho-communalists who seek the destruction of any permanent governmental bodies and a return of power into the hands of the people. we firmly believe that moderation in all things brings the answers to most problems and that the greatest evils are usually caused by those who are following some extremist path. we fear for the future of this country because we see its people becoming polarized at the extremes and this can only cause the sort of trouble that ends entire civilizations.


It seems what you are truly seeking is Anarchy. No rules, no government. Don't you realize that the law of the jungle will prevail. The strong will take over and set new rules to benefit them and things will return to where they are or worse. "Meet the new Boss, same as the old boss". The only solution is total annihilation of mankind and a new beginning, or divine intervention. Mankind is intent on destroying itself, sooner or later, it will happen. Enjoy what you have for as long as you can.
 

iblazethatkush

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you could also ask: why do not democrats demand that trees in the U.S. stop being cut down for paper and instead legalize hemp for this and ALL the other purposes if THEY are so interested in saving the environment.

the truth is, republicans and democrats have the same bosses: the rich bankers and buisnessmen. they tell the republicans to act like the rich elitest dicks and they tell the democrats to ask like tree hugging liberals so that they can present a divide in the nation and people like you can get stuck up in the fake divide and forget to ask the REAL, IMPORTANT questions like: why don't the majority of polititions in EITHER party want the war TO end and peace to rule the earth?

DO YOU GET IT?! quit looking for an excuse to divide up the country in the fake factions that the ruling elite have handed you. vote for a man of the people, one who strickly adhears to the constitution because it was written with YOUR rights in mind, no matter what his party.

and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.
Nice post...This dude gets it.:joint:
 

medicineman

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and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.

How many glaciers do I have to see receeding before I can assume there is a warming trend? How many scientific expeditions into the polar caps that have measured glaciers for 20+ years with GPS and concluded that not since recorded history has there been such an escalation in receeding glaciers? How many documentaries that show the receeding glaciers world wide, the Andes, the Himalayas, the Alps. All have receeding glaciers? Why are the ice fields of Greenland shrinking at such an alarming rate? There are rivers of melt water running off those glaciers as wide as the colorado river. How many Native Alaskans do I have to watch seeing their homes being washed away by higher surf than has ever been seen since they can remember? How many south sea Islanders do I have to watch seeing their little islands being swamped by high tides never before seen in their history, 100* heat in N Dakota, Montana, 90*s in southern Canada, floods of biblical porportions accross the globe. Why do you have your head stuck in A. the sand or B. up your colon? BTW, I learned to hate republicans all on my own. I've known a few and seen what those in charge do, thats enough reason to hate their dumb asses.
 

HotNSexyMILF

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and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.

How many glaciers do I have to see receeding before I can assume there is a warming trend? How many scientific expeditions into the polar caps that have measured glaciers for 20+ years with GPS and concluded that not since recorded history has there been such an escalation in receeding glaciers? How many documentaries that show the receeding glaciers world wide, the Andes, the Himalayas, the Alps. All have receeding glaciers? Why are the ice fields of Greenland shrinking at such an alarming rate? There are rivers of melt water running off those glaciers as wide as the colorado river. How many Native Alaskans do I have to watch seeing their homes being washed away by higher surf than has ever been seen since they can remember? How many south sea Islanders do I have to watch seeing their little islands being swamped by high tides never before seen in their history, 100* heat in N Dakota, Montana, 90*s in southern Canada, floods of biblical porportions accross the globe. Why do you have your head stuck in A. the sand or B. up your colon? BTW, I learned to hate republicans all on my own. I've known a few and seen what those in charge do, thats enough reason to hate their dumb asses.
You're completely missing the point. Yes, the earth is getting warmer, there's no doubt there.. but the reason it's happening. That's where the propaganda begins- the SUN IS GETTING HOTTER. Do the research, scientifically the sun is getting hotter. It's not just effecting us, it's effecting the other planets as well at rates very similar to ours. Any pollution and shyt we are doing here pales in comparison to the NATURAL global warming going on. Plus, the most pollution comes from government.:blsmoke:

Btw, it's completely ignorant to judge a GROUP of people by a FEW people. It's more logical to just hate all politicians that to pick a division of it (which really, the divide is constructed and fake). I find it especially alarming for such a close minded view to come from a fellow toker- we've been fighting the assumption for years that all potheads just sit around, get high, and contribute nothing to society. This kind of ignorance is what made marijuana illegal in the first place- why would you add to the hate promoted in this country? :blsmoke:
 

HotNSexyMILF

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Exactly what I think. The sun goes through periods where it gets hotter or colder. Right now, it's getting hotter...I used to think man caused it, but now I'm convinced it would be happening anyways...Me and you are like this, son when it comes to politics *crosses fingers*
I agree, our political beliefs are right on. :blsmoke:
 

medicineman

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You're completely missing the point. Yes, the earth is getting warmer, there's no doubt there.. but the reason it's happening. That's where the propaganda begins- the SUN IS GETTING HOTTER. Do the research, scientifically the sun is getting hotter. It's not just effecting us, it's effecting the other planets as well at rates very similar to ours. Any pollution and shyt we are doing here pales in comparison to the NATURAL global warming going on. Plus, the most pollution comes from government.:blsmoke:


I'd like to know how you know the sun is getting hotter, Has a man been there to measure it~LOL~? Would the fact that there is more greenhouse gasses have anything to do with the warming of the earth, from your perspective, I'd assume not. Does the receeding ice at the polar caps speak to you, I'd assume not? Does the de-forestation of the globe ring any bells in your mind, I'd assume not. Walking through life with blinders on allows you to blame the sun for all the ills of the planet. Is the sun warming? Not anymore than is usual in it's 3-6 billion year life. There are sunspot activities that affect the earth occasionly, but none seem to be over-active at this juncture. I get it. Just blame the sun so we can get on with our wasteful energy usage and let us live our consumptive lives without these insane scientists bugging us, what assholes they are trying to tell us we are fucking over the earth, Poppycock.
 

HotNSexyMILF

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You're completely missing the point. Yes, the earth is getting warmer, there's no doubt there.. but the reason it's happening. That's where the propaganda begins- the SUN IS GETTING HOTTER. Do the research, scientifically the sun is getting hotter. It's not just effecting us, it's effecting the other planets as well at rates very similar to ours. Any pollution and shyt we are doing here pales in comparison to the NATURAL global warming going on. Plus, the most pollution comes from government.:blsmoke:


I'd like to know how you know the sun is getting hotter, Has a man been there to measure it~LOL~? Would the fact that there is more greenhouse gasses have anything to do with the warming of the earth, from your perspective, I'd assume not. Does the receeding ice at the polar caps speak to you, I'd assume not? Does the de-forestation of the globe ring any bells in your mind, I'd assume not. Walking through life with blinders on allows you to blame the sun for all the ills of the planet. Is the sun warming? Not anymore than is usual in it's 3-6 billion year life. There are sunspot activities that affect the earth occasionly, but none seem to be over-active at this juncture. I get it. Just blame the sun so we can get on with our wasteful energy usage and let us live our consumptive lives without these insane scientists bugging us, what assholes they are trying to tell us we are fucking over the earth, Poppycock.
Are you kidding? Like seriously? :roll: They test the temperatures of the suns rays from satellites so they are measured above our "green house effected" earth. And all tests show the sun is getting hotter- and at record time. While the pollution going on down here does contribute (like I've said before) it is not the main reason for global warming.

Study says sun getting hotter
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame - Telegraph
FuturePundit: Sun Energy Output At Over 1,000 Year Peak
Sun Is Getting Hotter, Satellite Data Indicate

This is all well documented information in the scientific community- globally.

Btw, your assumptions are the furthest from the truth- I don't advocate pollution, and I'm spiritually appreciative of nature and the world around us. I support self efficiency and hate the "modern day" technology driven society of today. We've lost our way, and need to go back to a simpler kind of life.

You can continue to keep speaking nonsense, but honestly, you're just making yourself look a fool.:blsmoke:
 

ViRedd

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Typical of global warming propagandists: If you don't believe that Global Warming is caused by Man, then you just have to be in favor of pollution.

What a joke!

Vi
 

medicineman

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Are you kidding? Like seriously? :roll: They test the temperatures of the suns rays from satellites so they are measured above our "green house effected" earth. And all tests show the sun is getting hotter- and at record time. While the pollution going on down here does contribute (like I've said before) it is not the main reason for global warming.

Study says sun getting hotter
The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame - Telegraph
FuturePundit: Sun Energy Output At Over 1,000 Year Peak
Sun Is Getting Hotter, Satellite Data Indicate

This is all well documented information in the scientific community- globally.

Btw, your assumptions are the furthest from the truth- I don't advocate pollution, and I'm spiritually appreciative of nature and the world around us. I support self efficiency and hate the "modern day" technology driven society of today. We've lost our way, and need to go back to a simpler kind of life.

You can continue to keep speaking nonsense, but honestly, you're just making yourself look a fool.:blsmoke:
Geeze, sorry to offend you, but this foolish mind accepts the tenet that man has an effect on global warming. If you don't, then I guess you can go back to your overconsumptive american values and not lose any sleep over me. Fire up the hummer, full steam ahead.
 

mockingbird131313

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Quote: Originally Posted by medicineman and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.
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Originally Posted by medicineman
and with regards to the planet: you have been fed a lie about global warming from the same liberal media source who has convinced you to hate republicans. research the science behind the global warming bullshit before making up your mind. polution by big industry is the only real environmental issue that can or should be addressed. well, that and genetically altered foods creeping into our world.

How many glaciers do I have to see receeding before I can assume there is a warming trend? How many scientific expeditions into the polar caps that have measured glaciers for 20+ years with GPS and concluded that not since recorded history has there been such an escalation in receeding glaciers? How many documentaries that show the receeding glaciers world wide, the Andes, the Himalayas, the Alps. All have receeding glaciers? Why are the ice fields of Greenland shrinking at such an alarming rate? There are rivers of melt water running off those glaciers as wide as the colorado river. How many Native Alaskans do I have to watch seeing their homes being washed away by higher surf than has ever been seen since they can remember? How many south sea Islanders do I have to watch seeing their little islands being swamped by high tides never before seen in their history, 100* heat in N Dakota, Montana, 90*s in southern Canada, floods of biblical porportions accross the globe. Why do you have your head stuck in A. the sand or B. up your colon? BTW, I learned to hate republicans all on my own. I've known a few and seen what those in charge do, thats enough reason to hate their dumb asses.

You're completely missing the point. Yes, the earth is getting warmer, there's no doubt there.. but the reason it's happening. That's where the propaganda begins- the SUN IS GETTING HOTTER. Do the research, scientifically the sun is getting hotter. It's not just effecting us, it's effecting the other planets as well at rates very similar to ours. Any pollution and shyt we are doing here pales in comparison to the NATURAL global warming going on. Plus, the most pollution comes from government.:blsmoke:

Btw, it's completely ignorant to judge a GROUP of people by a FEW people. It's more logical to just hate all politicians that to pick a division of it (which really, the divide is constructed and fake). I find it especially alarming for such a close minded view to come from a fellow toker- we've been fighting the assumption for years that all potheads just sit around, get high, and contribute nothing to society. This kind of ignorance is what made marijuana illegal in the first place- why would you add to the hate promoted in this country? :blsmoke:


Perhaps you both are little off point.

1. It is true the sun is hotter, from several sources. The flares are MUCH more intense, than ever recorded. A solar flare went out the far side of the sun and toasted Saturn, a couple years back. This was established by telescopes and other devices. So solar intensity is true.
2. Man appears to have at least a limited affect on global warming. This claim is based on some objective evidence.

The real issue is this, why do we waste resources. Should we be engineering simple solutions to reduce pollution and waste. For one thing, we should stop sending as many heavy launch vehicles into space. They have an enormous environmental impact, and cost a fortune to launch.

Forget the polar ice caps. We can't really change much about that. We are talking tenth of a degree increments here. We can reduce asthma, heart attacks, strokes, and other illnesses caused by breathing problems, with better use of resources. Cleaner air means longer lives.



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undertheice

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..... it's completely ignorant to judge a GROUP of people by a FEW people. It's more logical to just hate all politicians.....
but this is the point of the entire global warming scare - to find scapegoats, give people a target at which to aim their fear, and score political points. as was pointed out by the original poster; one of the main targets has become the republican party, mainly because one of the major advocates of this entire scam is a failed democrat. even though both parties aim their policies at penalizing consumers and restricting our freedoms, the reps have been vilified as the party of big business and, as such, are easy to point to as the scapegoat du jour. no one seems to care that the dems are just as guilty of catering to corporate interests, the band wagon is rolling and the pseudo-intellectual cause-heads just can't wait to climb aboard.

The real issue is this, why do we waste resources. Should we be engineering simple solutions to reduce pollution and waste.....
we waste resources because our economic system is built to streamline the flow of goods from manufacturer to consumer and the use or recycling of waste is seen as an unneeded hindrance to that flow. while the masses are squabbling over which hybrid car to pay a premium for, industry is maintaining steady pressure on government to make sure their pockets are kept full with taxpayer funded bail outs, kick backs and subsidies. while incentives are plentiful for industry, we see only penalties and restrictions for consumers. instead of encouraging innovation and allowing new technologies to be more easily introduced, government prefers to prop up the dinosaurs of energy and manufacturing in order to receive the funds they need to consolidate their power. while big business receives carrot after carrot, we get only the stick.
 

JJgrands

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anyone who says anythoing about global warming when talking about environmental issues is a moron, plain and simple. Like this girl i was macking last night, tried claiming "global warming started with agriculture...humans bad...". Yeah... sure, the perpetual balance attained between the earth and vast ancient civilizations not withstanding, we fart and its bad, we breathe and burn stuff oh my more co2 noooo. Ok back to the reality of extinction, over fertilization run off creating massive dead zones, coral reef destruction, landfills, deforestation, desertification... NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH CO2. CO2 is a pariah, a fools answer to a complex global problem of living at extreme imbalance. I want to talk about how less than 10% opf what IS recyclable is recycled. About how industrial agriculture is homogonizing the earth in the name of high fructose corn syrup. About how terminator GMO seeds hjave destroyed the genetic capital of our world. So if any dumb fuck says some shit about global warming, start him on fire. Eat organic. Grow your own. Gray water catch. Solar. Sustainablity isnt about one factor (temp) and specifically one alter vector (co2)(. So thats pretty much it. Anyone wants to talk about global warming they cant talk to my fist. Talking about global warming is like getting in a car aCCIDENT, NOT BEING HURT, AND BITCHING ABOUT YOUR RIPPED PANTS BEFORE CALLING 911 FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING. cAOSTLINES RISE. anyway i dont care enuff to go back and uncaps lock tha6t bit so naff off
 

mockingbird131313

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1. Today most of the political discussions are arguments to polarize. Arguments mean money in the media.

2. I am well aware of the manufacturing process. I have been there.

As I have said before, in several posts, America needs to live simple. Conserve resources. Forget about melting polar ice caps. Pulp lumber trees in America are environmentally neutral at worst, so we CAN cut them down. Stop listening to junk-science merchants with agendas.

The main reason for my views are simple. We maximize output and minimize damage. Currently, our processes are dirty, causing bad water and bad air. We can do better and live happy lives.
 

mockingbird131313

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anyone who says anythoing about global warming when talking about environmental issues is a moron, plain and simple. Like this girl i was macking last night, tried claiming "global warming started with agriculture...humans bad...". Yeah... sure, the perpetual balance attained between the earth and vast ancient civilizations not withstanding, we fart and its bad, we breathe and burn stuff oh my more co2 noooo. Ok back to the reality of extinction, over fertilization run off creating massive dead zones, coral reef destruction, landfills, deforestation, desertification... NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH CO2. CO2 is a pariah, a fools answer to a complex global problem of living at extreme imbalance. I want to talk about how less than 10% opf what IS recyclable is recycled. About how industrial agriculture is homogonizing the earth in the name of high fructose corn syrup. About how terminator GMO seeds hjave destroyed the genetic capital of our world. So if any dumb fuck says some shit about global warming, start him on fire. Eat organic. Grow your own. Gray water catch. Solar. Sustainablity isnt about one factor (temp) and specifically one alter vector (co2)(. So thats pretty much it. Anyone wants to talk about global warming they cant talk to my fist. Talking about global warming is like getting in a car aCCIDENT, NOT BEING HURT, AND BITCHING ABOUT YOUR RIPPED PANTS BEFORE CALLING 911 FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DYING. cAOSTLINES RISE. anyway i dont care enuff to go back and uncaps lock tha6t bit so naff off
What are you saying?
 

JJgrands

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Man made greenhouse gas emmissions are real
know what else is real? arsenic. mercury. sulfur. pcbs. the list goes on. every breath we waste arguing over co2 that only increases plant yield and planet health, is a win for the real polluters. thats what IM saying. the whole global; warning discussion is a distraction, and CARBON tax and emissions regulations amount to pressure on low class people who dont have the loopholes the big corps do. do u realize the epa doesnt care about drilling sites contaminatiopn? there is a hell of alot worth bitching about, than hot air
 

medicineman

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know what else is real? arsenic. mercury. sulfur. pcbs. the list goes on. every breath we waste arguing over co2 that only increases plant yield and planet health, is a win for the real polluters. thats what IM saying. the whole global; warning discussion is a distraction, and CARBON tax and emissions regulations amount to pressure on low class people who dont have the loopholes the big corps do. do u realize the epa doesnt care about drilling sites contaminatiopn? there is a hell of alot worth bitching about, than hot air
Well, yeah. I'm against all forms of pollution and especially the gross polluters like corporate pirates. Hey, I'm guilty as sin when it comes to pollution. I am trying to clean up my act, but compared to a large corporation, I'm small change. Just by virtue of my American lifestyle I am a polluter. The natives, Indians, pretty much had a lock on non-polluting lifestyles. But we all can't live in teepees and crap down the hill, nor ride horses to work, so Bio-degradable containers need to be mandated. Plastics need to be formulated to break down in the earth or sea, emissions need to be scrubbed of toxins, and green house gasses. Yeah, it would cost more, but maybe those stockholders would just have to make a little less, heaven forbid. I'm not even sure there is a solution outside of mass extermination of the race (Bilderbergs assumption of reducing the planets populace to around 350 million). I wonder how they intend to do that. I think they already tried with AIDS, working well in Africa I'm told.
 
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