RO vs Filtered Water

LiquidLumen

Active Member
Considering the cost of most RO systems, does anyone know how much of an advantage you get from using RO vs regular tap water? And what about filtering your tap water with a regular Brita filter- would that be close to RO quality? Or what about using the water collected in a dehumidifier- that's supposed to be pure H2O, right? (assuming I keep the bucket nice and clean).
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
Do you own a tds meter and a pH meter yet ?
If not you should.

Test your tap water.

Many municipal water suppliers
add chemicals to buffer the pH of the water.

The calcium buffer chemicals can cause problems.

You can find RO machines for a reasonable price,
less than a 1/4 bag of primo.

http://www.purewaterclub.com/

You will also use less chemicals
trying to maintain the correct pH
if you start with RO.

It made my grow better.

Also Using lower nutes loads improved my grow.

If your not ready to drop $400
for meters and grow tools
(RO machine, lights,tubs,plumbing,pumps,etc.)
maybe you should reconsider trying to grow hydro.

.
 

LiquidLumen

Active Member
Do you own a tds meter and a pH meter yet ?
If not you should.

Test your tap water.

Many municipal water suppliers
add chemicals to buffer the pH of the water.

The calcium buffer chemicals can cause problems.

You can find RO machines for a reasonable price,
less than a 1/4 bag of primo.

http://www.purewaterclub.com/

You will also use less chemicals
trying to maintain the correct pH
if you start with RO.

It made my grow better.

Also Using lower nutes loads improved my grow.

If your not ready to drop $400
for meters and grow tools
(RO machine, lights,tubs,plumbing,pumps,etc.)
maybe you should reconsider trying to grow hydro.

.

Well initially I did buy a pH meter for around 100 bucks (I forget what brand), but the guy at my hydro store said I needed to calibrate it every time I used it. The problem with this is you have to use 2 calibration solutions each time, and each bottle costs around 25 bucks and they only last about 10-15 times. so basically I'm spending 50 bucks every two weeks, not to mention the added pain in the ass of calibrating the meter everyday. So I returned it and got the pH drops and they have worked fine so far. As far as TDS meter, I figure if I replace my nute solution once a week there's no reason for it. I'm definitely willing to invest in my system, but I'm all about efficiency and smart investing- why spend 400 dollars where 30 will do? My question was, do the results of your grow-op justify spending a lot of money on high tech equipment? If I spend the extra 350 dollars, will I see an extra ounce of growth in a 6 plant operation? Or is there a better way to spend 350 (a CO2 tank for example). Since I've seen great results using tap water and pH drops, I'm trying to figure out why people are willing to spend all this money and effort on RO machines and expensive pH/Tds meters. I personally think it's a waste of money, but if someone can prove me wrong I'm completely willing to invest the time/money.
 

magilla gorilla

Well-Known Member
Personally i use a TDS meter and PH meter because i want to know exactly what my babies are doing. exatly how much nutrient that they are using. PH is a major issue. fuck that up and you'll recieve hard in the pooper.
Every strain is different and its nice to be able to test exact PH and EC levels and cater it specifically for your plant. thats just my opinion anyways... i'm a bit of an enthusiast rather than a profiteer and i like to have as much control as possible.
As for RO vs Filtered.. i dunno. haven't tried RO but as soon as i can get an RO system i will.
i just like the idea of being able to know exactly what is going into my rez. peace
 

highpsi

Well-Known Member
Considering the cost of most RO systems, does anyone know how much of an advantage you get from using RO vs regular tap water?
Depends on the quality of your tap water, which varies widely depending on location and time of year. It also depends on the source of tap water, is it a municipal water supply or is it well water? These would all factor in. That's why some people choose to go with R/O water, it eliminates that variable.

And what about filtering your tap water with a regular Brita filter- would that be close to RO quality?
No. Brita filters are simple charcoal filters which simply filter out fine particulate matter and some odor, that's about it. You'll still likely have the same mineral salt content as you had with the regular tap water. Most R/O systems use anywhere from 3 to 7 stages of filtration. I have a 5 stage system. First stage is a simple sand filtration, 2nd stage is carbon filtration, the 3rd stage is when the water is actually pushed through the R/O membrane (which is, to put simply, a membrane of plastic that has microscopic pores which are so small, it only allows pure water molecules to penetrate, leaving behind various mineral salts that end up going down the drain, etc.), stage 4 is polishing (whatever that means), and stage 5 is yet another carbon filter.

To give you an idea, I tested my tap water (which comes from an artisian well) and got a PH of 8.2, and a TDS of ~140 ppm, which isn't too bad, but I opted for an R/O system anyway due to a mild sulfur odor in my tap water. Anyway, after running the water through the R/O system it tested at a PH of 7.0 and a TDS of 14 ppm, basically pure water. With the exception of distilled water (which is prohibitively expensive), R/O water is the purest, cleanest water you can possibly drink (or use).

Or what about using the water collected in a dehumidifier- that's supposed to be pure H2O, right? (assuming I keep the bucket nice and clean).
Yes, this is an option. However the water may contain molds and/or bacteria, so using it in a hydroponics setup isn't advisable, but you could give it a try on a test plant and see how it works for you.
 

LiquidLumen

Active Member
That's the kind of info I was looking for HighPSI...I appreciate it. I'll consider doing R/O in the future, but as for now my plants seem to be doing great in regular tap water. Maybe I'll do a side-by-side comparison and see what the difference is in my plant growth.
 

vegasendo

Active Member
i have a Hanna Instruments ph/tds meter and i would like to know what bottle solution to buy so that this effin thing will calibrate and work.. i bought it for 75 bucks and i grow soil so my ph/nute monitoring isnt as important.. however I would love to get this thing working to get some water as accurately phed as possible for when I need someone to water for me .. thanks! the response is greatly appreciated and awaited!

That's the kind of info I was looking for HighPSI...I appreciate it. I'll consider doing R/O in the future, but as for now my plants seem to be doing great in regular tap water. Maybe I'll do a side-by-side comparison and see what the difference is in my plant growth.
 

usernamex

New Member
Well initially I did buy a pH meter for around 100 bucks (I forget what brand), but the guy at my hydro store said I needed to calibrate it every time I used it. The problem with this is you have to use 2 calibration solutions each time, and each bottle costs around 25 bucks and they only last about 10-15 times. so basically I'm spending 50 bucks every two weeks, not to mention the added pain in the ass of calibrating the meter everyday.
You don't need to calibrate your pH meter every time, your local hydro guy was just trying to scam you into repeatedly buying the calibration solution.
 

LiquidLumen

Active Member
i have a Hanna Instruments ph/tds meter and i would like to know what bottle solution to buy so that this effin thing will calibrate and work.. i bought it for 75 bucks and i grow soil so my ph/nute monitoring isnt as important.. however I would love to get this thing working to get some water as accurately phed as possible for when I need someone to water for me .. thanks! the response is greatly appreciated and awaited!
General Hydroponics makes a pH calibration solution- you need to get pH 4 and pH 7 to calibrate your pH meter. I'm not sure about TDS, never used one before.
 

Earl

Well-Known Member
Be sure your calibration fluid is the same temperature as your rez, when you do your check.
I calibrate at least once a week.
Try not to bang your probe or it may need re-calibrating.
Try to limit exposure of your probe to RO.
Try to purchase a meter that is accurate to.01 not.1
 

LiquidLumen

Active Member
Thanks for the info guys....anyone have a recommendation on a quality pH meter? I think I bought a Hanna last time but wasn't too impressed because the readings weren't consistent.
 
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