Round 2 Vertical: 2400 watts, Hydro AND Soil: Agent Orange, Trainwreck, Sour Diesel

hey flo how much did you spend on your set-up do you think it would be cheaper to use the pvc? and what do you think that would cost without the light.. just a ball park guess.. Because when I move in a couple of months. I plan on doing the same thing.. But I want to be able to have a seperate veg room and always have the vertical room as a flower room.. do you feel this is possible using pvc?? You know a different layer for each week of flower.. Idk? smaller ones up top and big ones on the bottom..
And is there a link to the orignal blue prints??
 

FLoJo

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there is a copy of the link on post 290, prices are in the thread

i think it would be about the same price using pvc.. possibly a bit less depending on what kind and where you get your pipes.

as far as having a seperate veg, what i was planning on doing is having my 55 gal rubbermaid as a veg chamber, so that the roots can grow about 2 feet long without bunching up.. this way you could take them straight into the pvc pipes and they could adapt from there.
 

kid cannabis

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yes i would prefer the pvc style system for a few reasons...

first of all trying to clean out all the pots and rocks after each grow is a huge pain in my ass.. with a pvc system simply run a strong dose of clearex and h202 followed by some enzymes and you are set for your next grow.

secondly, you wouldnt have to worry about the flow to each individual plant because instead of having 85 tubes to fuck with and check, you only have one large one.

third, although root mass is not a big deal in this kind of system, you are still limiting the root mass growth by having individual containers.. in a pvc style system you basically give the plants unlimited root potential, so once they have enough they will just stop growing em..

the problems i can forsee with the pvc style system is that if you get any kind of root disease it will be nearly impossible to remove any particular infected plant due to the fact that they will all be intertwined.. also i could see the possibility that if your nute solituion is not strong enough, the plants at the end of the pvc could in theory recieve less nutes than the ones at the top of the system.. having a strong nute mix will ensure this will not happen. i could also see the possibility that if your plants became too big and healthy (if there is such a thing) that if you do not design your system well, that you could end up having roots that build up in corners, and could slow if not stop the flow of nutes.

all these problems can be overcome with some foreward thought and planning.. its all about making the better mouse trap.

FLo
sounds good i mean at some point you havve to give up some control for ease of use
 

FLoJo

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just wanted to vent about how pissed off i am that i suck at growing in soil.. just compared the soilers to my hydro girls and it is laughable.. i will probably get about 1/2 lb from all 20 soil kids if i am lucky.... sigh.... i stupidly just went off the recommended feeding chart and they became deficient around week 4 since they were all large girls and could never get them to recover.. they are all yellow and getting crispy, it is really a sad sight to see... this means that i will be getting about 2/3 of what i should be getting since i didnt fill the entire bottom of the system and did the soilers.... oh well live and learn.. i know i will have a good harvest.. definitely not getting 6 lbs, not gonna get 5.. hopefully i can pull 4 but i guess we shall see... oh well just wanted to vent my frustrations.. guess this means i should stick to what i know best...
 

kid cannabis

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yea well growings all about learning. if you failed the soil grow then dont make the same mistake make a better feeding schedule or go all hydro and chalk it up to a learning experience. i know it sucks but ive lost two entire crops during the last three weeks before but i learned more in those grows than any successful ones.
hope this makes you feel a little better
 

FLoJo

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its not a huge deal i just like getting the most out of my plants like most do.. i didnt even want to do soil but i ended up getting 15 babies already started in dirt so i said what the hell.. i definitely wont be doing that again lol.. if i do it will be all organic personals for sure..
 

whitenugz

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haha and thanks for the compliments, no i am not an engineering major or anything like that.. just a normal guy who knows how to use some tools and has spent too much time working on houses and reading on the net. I wish i could take credit for this design but it was inspired by a guy named Heath Robinson.. he is the godfather of growing vert and without his projects i never would have been able to concieve something like this.



good questions.. glad you guys are interested! keep em comin!

FLo
GOod look for Mr. Robinson rep. but I learend a lot from this right here. I found in soil grows theres so many random problems you can run into its not funny. I havent' tried hydro but i bet you could say the same.

Okay, I see Heath's build and impressive. BUT INCLOSED? Just running a solution through the pvc pipe will clean the tubes effeciently? I don't know if i'm missing something but how can you clean the pipes between each feeding/watering? Good god his yeilds are beautiful.
 

just L

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everything is looking awesome bro, im in the middle of building one for another future caregiver. all of a sudden he has more $ and whats to expanded. i need a 3rd party opinion, were at 8 x 8 right now. should we expanded to 14 x 14 or build a second 8 x 8. as of now we will need to be able to keep 144 plants min but no more than 286. any help would be great, I HAVE TO be running by april 1st and still need to order materials.

your right on about hydro over soil, i think i going 100% hydro have next harvest, im gettting about35% more final product per square foot.
 

FLoJo

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yes running a solution should clear up anything in the pipes spick n span.. clearex do dissolve salts, h202 to kill bacteria and sludge, then run clean water and enzymes to break down and flush away any organic materials and you are good to go.

and like i said i would much rather have 2 seperate systems.. i am wasting one side of each light which could potentially add another lb or so to my final yield
 

SlikWiLL13

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ya'know flow, i think its just a matter of what kind of grower you are. i cant do soil either, but i can grow the fuck out of some hydro. i know guys that cant comprehend hydro but grow some fire ass organics.

were hydro guys, our hearts have been replaced with 980gph submersibles.
 

FLoJo

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ya'know flow, i think its just a matter of what kind of grower you are. i cant do soil either, but i can grow the fuck out of some hydro. i know guys that cant comprehend hydro but grow some fire ass organics.

were hydro guys, our hearts have been replaced with 980gph submersibles.
LOL aint it the truth.. wait till i do some side by sides of some hydro and soil.. people will tell me to never "get my hands dirty" ever again haha..

and mine is a 1584 gph submersible... what can i say i got a big heart lol
 

Blow4Life

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I feel ya Flo! I'm so sick of the dirt (peat moss) I just don't know what else to do. Vertical is something I'm really starting to lean towards. I'm learning a lot from your thread so maybe my next grow I'll try something like yours. Maybe even that carousel thingy. :?:
 

FLoJo

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trust me once you go hydro, you will never go back.. i will do some side by sides to show just how much different it really is... its breathtaking
 

420weedman

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I feel ya Flo! I'm so sick of the dirt (peat moss) I just don't know what else to do. Vertical is something I'm really starting to lean towards. I'm learning a lot from your thread so maybe my next grow I'll try something like yours. Maybe even that carousel thingy. :?:
peat moss is not a good soil/mix

trust me once you go hydro, you will never go back.. i will do some side by sides to show just how much different it really is... its breathtaking
this really depends on the op size, i have a small op that wouldnt be as good going hydro :leaf:
 

FLoJo

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i tend to disagree weedman420.. as far as from a yield/size standpoint any size op is going to gain from having a hydroponics operation.. hell i have a friend who i brought into growing who used a simple 400w.. he had been growing about 6 plants in a semi-sog style with soil.. he was getting about 180-220 grams per grow..

i helped him switch over to a DWC scrog type grow, now he grows one plant per cycle (same strain), which is scrogged, under the same light, and now pulls between 290-330 grams per grow.

keep in mind the veg time on both styles is almost the same..

Edit: now some people will still prefer to grow in soil for various reasons, and i can totally understand that.. but a cheap hydro system can be made for a minimal increase in price when compared to soil gardens, and 9 times out of ten will show a generous increase in yield.. hell that is what got me to switch in the first place haha.... but that is the beauty of this hobby.. to each his own
 

thephantompain1990

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flo i was in another thread where you were talking about making hash. i couldnt find the thread but im scribed to this one so ill just tell you here.

in my other post i mentioned homemade bubble buckets as a much cheaper alternative to bubble bags but couldnt find the thread where i had seen it.

i found it today and thought you might find it interesting.
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/102967-bubble-buckets-lots-pics.html
 

FLoJo

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very nice i like that method.. i think thats what ill do.. i can use some big ass 5 gallon buckets and only have to do it once hehe
 

thephantompain1990

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very nice i like that method.. i think thats what ill do.. i can use some big ass 5 gallon buckets and only have to do it once hehe

good deal. its really a great method to use. its a hell of alot cheaper than bags and the only downside i see is that its a little more difficult to get the hash off the screen than with bags...but ill reach and keep my 200 dollars.
im suprised this isnt very popular on here. i think it needs to be stickied in the DIY section.
 

FLoJo

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shit i think it would be easy.. if you pull it super tight just get a credit card and scrape it up like you doin some hot lines haha
 
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