Russet Mites

ColdArmySoldier

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Symptoms:The leaves on my plants begin to turn black and develop "rust" looking spots until they become dry, brittle, and dead. I also noticed that some of my plants had very mushy buds, which I first diagnosed at botrytis (could still have fungus problems too, hard to diagnose two problems at the same time).

So the No Spider Mites helped a ton on the non-flowering plants (can't find any alive), but the plants with buds still have a problem (I would imagine because it is hard to penetrate the buds with the solution). I think the problem is that they are just so damn small, any foliar spray just can't get to all of them. Anyways, I just thought I would show everyone what I am dealing with.

Here is a picture I took with my 35x USB microscope. These bastards are SMALL!
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When looking through my 50x scope, they look like this (stole this image from another site):
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I also took a video with my USB microscope and you can see them moving around.
[video=youtube_share;toOSxc0FJ4U]http://youtu.be/toOSxc0FJ4U[/video]

Here are pictures of the leaves off of different plants. You can see them in different stages of damage.
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You can also see some interesting purpling of the stems.
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Here is the Sour Diesel being attacked by the pests (and maybe other things too?). You can see the leaves on the cola starting to look dry and gross and turning black. As you can see by the closeup, she would have been a beauty :( Oh well, maybe can get some dry ice hash from it. Lets see how russet mites like the freezer (safely contained of course).

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At the end of the day, I think the best bet is to start over and clean the garden. I am not confident that I could kill ALL of them using pesticides. Hope this helps someone out there who comes across these assholes.
 

Medshed

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Great info CAS. Would you mind posting a pic or two of the macro view of the leaves? I'm trying to picture what you mean by black with rust looking spots.
 

TruenoAE86coupe

Moderator
Ms. CAS and I had this discussion at the BBQ, as we are in similar situations, although different bugs.
I feel you are completely right in shutting everything down and starting a new, it is what i feel i am forced to do also.
Personally i am a little worried about my house plants in soil also, wondering if i need to start a new with them also, just to be sure there are no bugs left in the house at all, have you considered this in your situation?
I hope you all the best in your battle, i believe you have the worst bug that can be had, if you can defeat this you can defeat anything. Keep us updated on how things are going for you.....
 

ColdArmySoldier

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Put up the pictures.

Yeah Trueno, my house plants worry me too. I have been watching them carefully to see if they are acting strange and also have been looking for bugs on them. Haven't found anything yet, maybe i'll go take another look soon. Hopefully I can kill everything off in my grow room when I shut down for a bit. I am thinking I will vacuum, disinfect walls with a combination of chemicals (water/bleach solution, isopropyl alcohol, and lysol) every day for a week.
 

eyecandi

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damn sorry to see that bro :(

also: russet mites can travel/hide on seeds. so keep em safe and locked away until you need em, and be clean when you handle stuff from one space to another. they are a hitch-hiking plague :(
 

Medshed

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Thanks for the new pics CAS. Ouch! Sorry to see what you are dealing with, but glad you are sharing with the rest of us so we know what to look for.
 

ColdArmySoldier

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Thanks for the link EC. The more I read, it seems like some the russet mites respond to treatments differently. Some people have luck with one thing, while others it doesn't work at all. It makes me feel better about the decision to start new from seed. Do any of you use preventative treatments for bugs/fungi? If so, when do you apply the treatments? If I were to go back all over again, the two things I would have done differently were to not take clones (or at least quarantine them properly) and use preventative measures against bugs/fungi.
 

Medshed

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When I get a clone from another grower I quarantine it for at least a few days. Before getting it near my veg room I inspect the leaves with a loupe. If I saw bugs at that point I would probably toss it. The quarantine process is not super controlled. It amounts to a good drenching every day with Azamax and keeping the plant under a humidity dome, but still in the same room as the other plants. The humidity dome is the only real barrier separating the plants.

I mostly start from seed though and don't do any preventative spraying on those plants. The one exception being plants that go outside. Those get a Neem treatment every couple days for the first couple weeks outside.
 

disposition84

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A friend recommended I try something called caliclean last year when I got some mites on flowering
plants. It's a simple habanero and water mixture that you cook on the stove then spray your plants
down with. He claims stellar results and prides himself on his organic recipe stating that the stuff is
the real deal. I'm not sure the science behind it, but apparently the hot stuff in the peppers is supposed
to break down the exoskeleton of the bugs and kills em. I haven't had a chance to test it myself but
it's on the backburner in case I ever run into that predicament again, he also said to treat it carefully as
if you breath it in or get it on your it'll burn like crazy.
 

ColdArmySoldier

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Thanks for all of the suggestions. I think starting from seed is definitely the way to go. Especially because you get the excitement of having your own unique phono. Medshed, are those initial neem treatments the only thing you do all year?

Disposition84, that sounds like a great idea and I have also read people online talking about using capsaicin (what makes peppers hot) as an organic pesticide. I actually have some habaneros from last year that are in the freezer. I will just have to be cautious when cooking since it can burn your eyes pretty badly. I wonder if it will make my plants taste/smell like peppers. I guess it doesn't matter since they are going to hash anyways since I don't feel like smoking a ton of bugs haha
 

ColdArmySoldier

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Just made my pepper pesticide. Here are the ingredients I used for the pepper solution:


  • 600 mL of water
  • 2 droppers full of neem oil (capsaisin isn't very soluble in water, so I used neem as my oil)
  • A few drops of biodegradable soap (emulsifier for neem oil)

Cooked on medium-low heat for 10 minutes then blended. Let simmer for another 10 minutes then strained through a funnel and cheese cloth. With my pepper base, I diluted it in 5 parts water to 1 part pepper solution and sprayed. We will see how it works. You obviously have to be careful as disposition pointed out since breathing in the spray burns like a bitch (a great way to clear your sinuses). I am really hoping to dramatically reduce the population so my Grape Ultra testers from 303 will flower properly.
 

Medshed

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CAS - I only do the initial neem treatments, unless I see bugs on the plants. My peppers get hit pretty hard by aphids in the early season so I spray them regularly until the aphids are under control. I haven't seen the aphids attach the cannabis (yet) but if they did I'd hit them back with Azamax until they leave.

I don't have any scientific reason for this, but I use neem oil for prevention and Azamax for treatment. I many do it because Azamax is so expensive.
 

eyecandi

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neem is systemic and the plant will draw up and incorporate the substance into it's cellular structure. as MS said, be careful on timing so that you aren't smoking it down the road

http://www.discoverneem.com/neem-oil-insecticide.html

keep this in mind, as I don't think you will get the results you want with neem:

Neem oil breaks down very quickly, too. It is especially susceptible to UV light. But neem oil is also a systemic insecticide. That means you can pour it on the soil (not pure neem oil of course, you use a dilution or extract) and the plants absorb it. They take it up into their tissue, and it works from the inside. A leaf hopper may take a couple of bites, but that's it.
However, this does not work for all insect species. The neem ingredients accumulate in the tissues deeper inside the plant. The phloem, the outermost layer, contains hardly any. A tiny aphid feeds from the phloem, it can not penetrate deep enough to get a dose of neem. But any leaf hoppers, grass hoppers or similar chomping insects will be incapacitated quickly.
 

MG Canna

Active Member
I always use Eagle 20 and Floramite and/or Avid for preventative, when the plants go into bud in the commercial grow. This is a 4 - 6 week treatment. By week ten, there is no trace of either on or in the buds. I smoke those buds every day and they are smooth and clean like organic buds should be.....even if there not 100% organic because of those chems. I like to switch up the pesticides, when I use them.

At home, I really don't need either because my grow is very controlled. Haven't have an issue in two years now.....thank God!!! I use the Floramite at my house for all my house plants and any inedible plant that was outside that is coming inside. I put a Cypress tree I grow indoors outside this spring and I saw mite webs forming on the branches. The mites destroyed the tree last year when it was outside and I saved it. But those little fuckers are out there waiting for me to bring it out to them so they can suck all the sap out. NOT THIS YEAR BIATCHES!!!!!!!
 

mipainpatient

Active Member
Sup CO brothas 'n Sistas. Russet mites are a major plague that is spreading and will only get worse. Here is what I have learned:

#1) 30 day life cycle (+/- five for colder/hotter temps respecptively) This means You generally will not detect a major outbreak until 2 cycles have transpired as they do very little damage in the first run. Their infestation can be classified in 3 stages, based on the population. Stage 1--> initial phase, you have to be damn lucky to find them in this stage, you are chasing mites (closer to spiders than bugs) and they typically lay eggs on underside of leaves but I have seen upperside too. When eggs first hatch they will eat the area right around the egg, leaving a very small (1-2mm TOPS) brown ring/spot. If you use these as a guide you will increase your chances of finding the initial stage presence. Also any repeat ANY damage to a young leaf can be considered to be them if you know they are present and should be investigated. If this sounds like too much work, you should burn/bleach everything and start over. Hell even wait 30 days just to starve any that hatch from possible non-plant laying areas. If you look under a scope and do identify the mites, they will almost definitely be in larval stage--as small as 1/10th the size of the 200nm adults Stage 2--> Honeymoon phase. You will see some of the russeting described by the OP (brown spots) and if you supercrop/cut clones/prune, you may notice an orangy discoloration around any exposed sap. The mites are coming in for an easy drink. This is the most heartbreaking time to catch them because of this: These little bastards secrete growth hormones (PGRs, plant growth regulators) while they feed, so they will actually increase the growth rate and size of your plants making them look bombastic. Usually you have gone through 2+ 30day cycles with a small population to get here, or 1 cycle with a larger starting population (think incoming clones). If you look under a scope during this stage, you will see eggs, larvae, and adults. The adults obviously move much faster but they will not be frenzying yet. Stage 3--> Terminal phase. The plant is really showing damage at this point. Lower leaf russeting and other leaf damage is undeniably evident. The adults have begun to out-consume the plant and begin to collect on the uppermost growths (or wherever the conditions with the most light/wind are found on the plant), they also rush to any injured areas and can be seen swarming on the newest growths once terminal phase really takes hold. They will move to the edges of the windy leaves and blow to the next plant. If you look under the scope, depending where on the plant, you will see adults running around. If you look at one of the "orangy" looking new growths you will realize that the "orangy" color is actually hundreds and thousands of them writhing about. Suffice it to say that if you have fans in your room, or even not because they seem to really be able to move around fast as adults, if you have plants that reach terminal phase, ALL OF YOUR STOCK IS INFESTED

#2) Azamax/NEEM/Azadachtrin/Azatrol/Einstein Oil are all the same thing and do not work for shit. The only results I noticed were the soap in these products or my soap/neem mix helped to wash some of them off. Don't waste your time with these. Spinosad also a no-go. Haven't tried pyrethrum- and I don't use synthetics so I'm guessing it wont work. The literature--scant and speculative at best--mentions sulfur, probably because it is recommended for Aculops lycopersium (tomato russet mites) and I haven't heard of any real tests done for Aculops cannibicola (hemp russet mites). BTW Aculops canni are canni-specific, or at least I can confirm they don't like tomatoes and thus aren't A. lyco. Spidermites happily jumped during a similar test of mine. My opinion is that wettable sulfur has the highest likelihood of working, and a sulfur burner is probably a waste of time. The only method of control that has worked for me is to kill absolutely everything. Use logic to figure out if you should kill a plant. Was it in a different area so not spread by wind, but were you handling the plants in separate areas without changing gloves/washing hands? Because you'll be looking at hitchhiker effect for sure.
(edit: the capsicum remedies need to be looked at with a grain of salt. capsicum is a defense against fungal infection, so it might, repeat, MIGHT help against fungal spores, but I have never seen any scientific evidence of it working against a non-mammallian animal. Farmers spray it on their chicken feed so that rats wont eat it but it doesn't bother the chickens-no receptors. I'd be willing to bet the same goes for the mites as the chickens)

#3) The seed rumor comes because of the outbreak at Indiana University, they hypothesized that it came in on an imported seed. This doesn't mean that is where it came from, but it should be considered as a source. When potatoes are planted from spud, they are often dusted with sulfur, maybe a light dusting on a new seed wouldn't be a bad idea? Within the MEDMAR community I have seen it transfer by clone, and given how prevelant it seems to be, and the fact the the PGRs will induce earlier flowering and perhaps even increased yields, some people may continue to grow even after infestation----maybe even knowing that something is off? Either way these guys should easily be able to persist on traditionally dried/cured product in egg form for at least a few months, as they probably have to be able to do that in their native environment.

#4) Dispensaries are a major concern for contracting this bug, the sheer volume and variety that passes through the doors, handled every which way, and don't even get me started on the clone factories. Thats where I got mine. Also never underestimate the stupidity/laziness of others. Any clones of unknown integrity should be quarantined for at least the 30 days it would take for A. canni to go through a growth cycle, as this would be the only way to tell whether an active infestation is occuring, because it might be in Stage 1.

#5) GLoves Gloves Gloves Gloves Gloves.

Anyone scared yet? You should be. These things are evil and are only slightly thicker than the secretory hairs on the stems of our lovelies so they can be a real pain to ID. The 35x zOrb the OP used is also in my array and will be enough to catch them if you are dilligent. If you are unsure, take a video, and let it run for a few minutes, when you replay the video put it in 2x/4x/8x or something and you will be able to discern movement a lot easier---in my experience.

Hope some of this helps some of you,
MPP
 

mipainpatient

Active Member
I always use Eagle 20 and Floramite and/or Avid for preventative, when the plants go into bud in the commercial grow. This is a 4 - 6 week treatment. By week ten, there is no trace of either on or in the buds. I smoke those buds every day and they are smooth and clean like organic buds should be.....even if there not 100% organic because of those chems. I like to switch up the pesticides, when I use them.

At home, I really don't need either because my grow is very controlled. Haven't have an issue in two years now.....thank God!!! I use the Floramite at my house for all my house plants and any inedible plant that was outside that is coming inside. I put a Cypress tree I grow indoors outside this spring and I saw mite webs forming on the branches. The mites destroyed the tree last year when it was outside and I saved it. But those little fuckers are out there waiting for me to bring it out to them so they can suck all the sap out. NOT THIS YEAR BIATCHES!!!!!!!
Sounds like spider mites bro, russet mites are a different beast and id be willing to bet they wouldn't look twice at your cyprus tree, just sayin. I've never seen anyone claim abamectin (avid) worked in a controlled trial, lots of anectdotal but webs sounds like smites.
 

MG Canna

Active Member
Just made my pepper pesticide. Here are the ingredients I used for the pepper solution:


  • 600 mL of water
  • 2 droppers full of neem oil (capsaicin isn't very soluble in water, so I used neem as my oil)
  • A few drops of biodegradable soap (emulsifier for neem oil)

Cooked on medium-low heat for 10 minutes then blended. Let simmer for another 10 minutes then strained through a funnel and cheese cloth. With my pepper base, I diluted it in 5 parts water to 1 part pepper solution and sprayed. We will see how it works. You obviously have to be careful as disposition pointed out since breathing in the spray burns like a bitch (a great way to clear your sinuses). I am really hoping to dramatically reduce the population so my Grape Ultra testers from 303 will flower properly.
How could you waste a piece of cheesecloth on anything other than a good demi???!?!?!?!?! HAHAHA! Good luck with that pepper stuff. NoMites is made with capsaicin and rosemary, and sold all over CO. When I was part owner of a MMC, the makers of this product wanted us to sell it for them and they gave us free samples......didn't work for shit!!
 
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