Sarah Palin on the health care issue ...

ViRedd

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  • <LI class="articleSection first">OPINION
  • SEPTEMBER 8, 2009, 7:45 P.M. ET
Obama and the Bureaucratization of Health Care

The president's proposals would give unelected officials life-and-death rationing powers.



By SARAH PALIN

Writing in the New York Times last month, President Barack Obama asked that Americans "talk with one another, and not over one another" as our health-care debate moves forward.

I couldn't agree more. Let's engage the other side's arguments, and let's allow Americans to decide for themselves whether the Democrats' health-care proposals should become governing law.
Some 45 years ago Ronald Reagan said that "no one in this country should be denied medical care because of a lack of funds." Each of us knows that we have an obligation to care for the old, the young and the sick. We stand strongest when we stand with the weakest among us.
We also know that our current health-care system too often burdens individuals and businesses&#8212;particularly small businesses&#8212;with crippling expenses. And we know that allowing government health-care spending to continue at current rates will only add to our ever-expanding deficit.

How can we ensure that those who need medical care receive it while also reducing health-care costs? The answers offered by Democrats in Washington all rest on one principle: that increased government involvement can solve the problem. I fundamentally disagree.


Common sense tells us that the government's attempts to solve large problems more often create new ones. Common sense also tells us that a top-down, one-size-fits-all plan will not improve the workings of a nationwide health-care system that accounts for one-sixth of our economy. And common sense tells us to be skeptical when President Obama promises that the Democrats' proposals "will provide more stability and security to every American."

With all due respect, Americans are used to this kind of sweeping promise from Washington. And we know from long experience that it's a promise Washington can't keep.

Let's talk about specifics. In his Times op-ed, the president argues that the Democrats' proposals "will finally bring skyrocketing health-care costs under control" by "cutting . . . waste and inefficiency in federal health programs like Medicare and Medicaid and in unwarranted subsidies to insurance companies . . . ."

First, ask yourself whether the government that brought us such "waste and inefficiency" and "unwarranted subsidies" in the first place can be believed when it says that this time it will get things right. The nonpartistan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) doesn't think so: Its director, Douglas Elmendorf, told the Senate Budget Committee in July that "in the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount."

Now look at one way Mr. Obama wants to eliminate inefficiency and waste: He's asked Congress to create an Independent Medicare Advisory Council&#8212;an unelected, largely unaccountable group of experts charged with containing Medicare costs. In an interview with the New York Times in April, the president suggested that such a group, working outside of "normal political channels," should guide decisions regarding that "huge driver of cost . . . the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives . . . ."

Given such statements, is it any wonder that many of the sick and elderly are concerned that the Democrats' proposals will ultimately lead to rationing of their health care by&#8212;dare I say it&#8212;death panels? Establishment voices dismissed that phrase, but it rang true for many Americans. Working through "normal political channels," they made themselves heard, and as a result Congress will likely reject a wrong-headed proposal to authorize end-of-life counseling in this cost-cutting context. But the fact remains that the Democrats' proposals would still empower unelected bureaucrats to make decisions affecting life or death health-care matters. Such government overreaching is what we've come to expect from this administration.

Speaking of government overreaching, how will the Democrats' proposals affect the deficit? The CBO estimates that the current House proposal not only won't reduce the deficit but will actually increase it by $239 billion over 10 years. Only in Washington could a plan that adds hundreds of billions to the deficit be hailed as a cost-cutting measure.

The economic effects won't be limited to abstract deficit numbers; they'll reach the wallets of everyday Americans. Should the Democrats' proposals expand health-care coverage while failing to curb health-care inflation rates, smaller paychecks will result. A new study for Watson Wyatt Worldwide by Steven Nyce and Syl Schieber concludes that if the government expands health-care coverage while health-care inflation continues to rise "the higher costs would drive disposable wages downward across most of the earnings spectrum, although the declines would be steepest for lower-earning workers." Lower wages are the last thing Americans need in these difficult economic times.

Finally, President Obama argues in his op-ed that Democrats' proposals "will provide every American with some basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable." Of course consumer protection sounds like a good idea. And it's true that insurance companies can be unaccountable and unresponsive institutions&#8212;much like the federal government. That similarity makes this shift in focus seem like nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention away from the details of the Democrats' proposals&#8212;proposals that will increase our deficit, decrease our paychecks, and increase the power of unaccountable government technocrats.

Instead of poll-driven "solutions," let's talk about real health-care reform: market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven. As the Cato Institute's Michael Cannon and others have argued, such policies include giving all individuals the same tax benefits received by those who get coverage through their employers; providing Medicare recipients with vouchers that allow them to purchase their own coverage; reforming tort laws to potentially save billions each year in wasteful spending; and changing costly state regulations to allow people to buy insurance across state lines. Rather than another top-down government plan, let's give Americans control over their own health care.

Democrats have never seriously considered such ideas, instead rushing through their own controversial proposals. After all, they don't need Republicans to sign on: Democrats control the House, the Senate and the presidency. But if passed, the Democrats' proposals will significantly alter a large sector of our economy. They will not improve our health care. They will not save us money. And, despite what the president says, they will not "provide more stability and security to every American."

We often hear such overblown promises from Washington. With first principles in mind and with the facts in hand, tell them that this time we're not buying it.

Ms. Palin, Sen. John McCain's running mate in the 2008 presidential election, was governor of Alaska from December 2006 to July 2009.
 

ViRedd

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Its obvious that the above two idiots didn't bother to read the article. You two are way too transparent.
 

ViRedd

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And by the way, contrary to FlyLikeAnEagle's raunchy assertion that Palin is "whoring herself out on Ebay," Palin is raffling off a dinner with herself and her husband, with all proceeds going to charity. Isn't this voluntary approach to charity much better than some government thug pointing a gun to your head in order to extract donations from you in the form of taxes to be applied to HIS/HER favorite charity?
 

ViRedd

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[QUOTE=TokinPodPilot;3053265]Interesting article. I wonder who wrote it for her.[/QUOTE]

Uhhh ... let's see:

"Served as Governor of the state of Alaska from 2006 to 2009. Republican candidate for Vice President of the United States. A member of the Wassilla city council and the mayor from 1996 to 2002. Ran for Lieutenant Governor of Alaska in 2006. First Alaskan candidate of either major party on a national ticket, as well as the first female vice-presidential nominee of the Republican Party."

I think Sarah Palin is perfectly capable of writing her own material.

And YOUR credentials are?????? bongsmilie

Vi
 

Wavels

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I wonder if Joey Biden could have written this? Oh silly me, I forgot, he prefers plagiarism...LOL
 

TokinPodPilot

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You're right, Vi. The bulk of the speech is pretty much just rehash of her party's by-lines and rhetoric. This sort of collage-style speech writing is right up her alley. Maybe next time, she'll include a diorama, too.
 

ViRedd

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You're right, Vi. The bulk of the speech is pretty much just rehash of her party's by-lines and rhetoric. This sort of collage-style speech writing is right up her alley. Maybe next time, she'll include a diorama, too.
I love the way you lefties continue to attack the messenger.

Come on 2010 ... hurry up and get here! :lol:

By the way, Tokin ... when are you gonna start your campaign for the VP candidate? Mayor? City Council Member? Dog Catcher? :lol:
 

TokinPodPilot

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I love the way you lefties continue to attack the messenger.

Come on 2010 ... hurry up and get here! :lol:

By the way, Tokin ... when are you gonna start your campaign for the VP candidate? Mayor? City Council Member? Dog Catcher? :lol:

I love the blind assumption that I'm on the left. Keep going Vi. You're indignation over the defaming of your pretty idol and passive aggressive attacks against anyone who doesn't agree with you will insure you a nice comfy space stuck in the political miasma with the rest of the bell curve.

Those of us who are done with the dog and pony show are on to better things.
 

ViRedd

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I love the blind assumption that I'm on the left. Keep going Vi. You're indignation over the defaming of your pretty idol and passive aggressive attacks against anyone who doesn't agree with you will insure you a nice comfy space stuck in the political miasma with the rest of the bell curve.

Those of us who are done with the dog and pony show are on to better things.
Blind assumption? Hey, you're the one in favor of turning over our entire health care system to the federal bureaucrats to run. If that isn't the position of a "lefty," what is? Lefty, meaning a "Progressive," "Socialist," or "Statist."

If I'm wrong here, I apologize. Perhaps you have a better definition for your politics? bongsmilie

 

TokinPodPilot

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Blind assumption? Hey, you're the one in favor of turning over our entire health care system to the federal bureaucrats to run. If that isn't the position of a "lefty," what is? Lefty, meaning a "Progressive," "Socialist," or "Statist."

If I'm wrong here, I apologize. Perhaps you have a better definition for your politics? bongsmilie

Yes, blind assumption.... which you seem to like doing... repeatedly. I do not favor the current bid of turning health care over to a political system which has failed in so many previous infrastructure ventures. In fact, I'm not really in favor of the existing political structure, as is. I'm an Independent. Seemingly one of the few, apparently. I recognize that there are correct arguments on all sides of the issue. I also recognize that surrounding all the "truths" and "facts" there is a giant web of propaganda and public relations. I also recognize that in the current "first-past-the-gate" political system the very control mechanisms are forged as we move inexorably from the constitutional republic which once forged a great nation to the capitalist republic which is currently working hard to establish the caste systems of the future. I prefer to think there are other options besides being a "have" or "have-not". But, I understand that the bulk of humanity prefers the security of having someone else do their thinking for them. :bigjoint:
 

Green Cross

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Yes, blind assumption.... which you seem to like doing... repeatedly. I do not favor the current bid of turning health care over to a political system which has failed in so many previous infrastructure ventures. In fact, I'm not really in favor of the existing political structure, as is. I'm an Independent. Seemingly one of the few, apparently. I recognize that there are correct arguments on all sides of the issue. I also recognize that surrounding all the "truths" and "facts" there is a giant web of propaganda and public relations. I also recognize that in the current "first-past-the-gate" political system the very control mechanisms are forged as we move inexorably from the constitutional republic which once forged a great nation to the capitalist republic which is currently working hard to establish the caste systems of the future. I prefer to think there are other options besides being a "have" or "have-not". But, I understand that the bulk of humanity prefers the security of having someone else do their thinking for them. :bigjoint:
Well said, and that explains why more people watch the daily show to get political views, than the wall street journal. It's more comfortable to believe lies, than the truth.

As a percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), health care spending is expected to reach 17.7 percent in 2012, up from 14.1 percent in 2001, after hovering just above 13 percent from 1993 through 2000. This increase reflects a combination of faster projected growth in health spending and slower GDP growth.

Government run agencies have never been profitable, so if the government succeeds in their power grab for 17% of the gross domestic product, the economy will only get worse.

If this was about a small percentage of sick people not being able to get health care a small program could be set up to provide for that, but it's just another power grab. :bigjoint:
 

ViRedd

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Yes, blind assumption.... which you seem to like doing... repeatedly. I do not favor the current bid of turning health care over to a political system which has failed in so many previous infrastructure ventures. In fact, I'm not really in favor of the existing political structure, as is. I'm an Independent. Seemingly one of the few, apparently. I recognize that there are correct arguments on all sides of the issue. I also recognize that surrounding all the "truths" and "facts" there is a giant web of propaganda and public relations. I also recognize that in the current "first-past-the-gate" political system the very control mechanisms are forged as we move inexorably from the constitutional republic which once forged a great nation to the capitalist republic which is currently working hard to establish the caste systems of the future. I prefer to think there are other options besides being a "have" or "have-not". But, I understand that the bulk of humanity prefers the security of having someone else do their thinking for them. :bigjoint:
Well now, that's an interesting post right there. It points out the main difference in our points of view. While you believe we're transforming from a constitutional republic into a capitalistic republic, my view is that we are/have transformed into a statist democracy, or a Nanny State, if you will. Where Americans were once fiercely independent and very suspicious/fearful of government, we have evolved into a dependent class of citizen, more akin to subjects than anything else. Those who came before us would be ashamed ... mighty ashamed of our slave, federal plantation mentality.
 

jrh72582

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She didn't offer any solutions. She was vague and simply provided ample evidence for what she clearly called a common sense idea - that government intervention fails. Why spend so much time evidencing a 'common-sense' claim? Because she has nothing else to offer. Common sense needs no evidence.

And the only solutions she proposed were so vague. Market driven solutions focused on the patient with an emphasis on productivity. Okay, thanks for that... How about you actually produce productive dialogue. Anyone can criticize and tear down another's proposal. Only the intelligent can contribute. Sarah Palin is NOT intelligent.

And I like how she fell prey to the whole death panel thing. Laughable. There's not even a bill being voted on and she's talking about the death panels and rationed care that those with NO health care would receive. She's pandering to fear and showing NO understanding of what is in the early stages of proposal. This early proposal only provides a public option for those with NO private insurance. And there are NO death panels. The fact that she used this imaginary notion as evidence displays her weakness in argument. If she were debating, she failed.

However, thanks for the article Vi. I've been so busy preparing for the collegiate debate circuit that I haven't been on here in a while. I sign on just after returning from a healthy debate practice and see this - kinda nice. Granted, Palin is not an intellectual and has NO idea how to debate, but I like discussing the issue anyway.
 

TokinPodPilot

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Well now, that's an interesting post right there. It points out the main difference in our points of view. While you believe we're transforming from a constitutional republic into a capitalistic republic, my view is that we are/have transformed into a statist democracy, or a Nanny State, if you will. Where Americans were once fiercely independent and very suspicious/fearful of government, we have evolved into a dependent class of citizen, more akin to subjects than anything else. Those who came before us would be ashamed ... mighty ashamed of our slave, federal plantation mentality.

Except for the large gaping logical hole, not bad. Your model would be accurate if the actual needs of the public were being addressed and provided for by the central authority per the demands of the people via direct or representative consensus. This is sadly not the case. For the record, Americans have never been broadly considered as "fiercely independent". In fact, Americans have historically been very prone to factionalization and behavioral indoctrination. Aside from a very, very, very few individuals, history tells us that past generations would be just as lost as this one.
 
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