Science or Philosophy?

The Vesica Pisces (symbol shown above) is the answer to this question.

One side of the symbol represents science, left brain, masculinity (male), action, positive, me, etc...
The other side represents philosophy, right brain, femininity (female), creativity (thought), negative, you, etc...

The debate of left vs right will never cease until we realize that neither side is separate from the other.

Just like a battery (+/-) or a magnet (N/S), or anything in the universe when you get down to it - everything has both positive and negative qualities.

The implications of this are huge, brah.

Here's an obvious example: Man + Woman = Child. Child is the middle part of the vesica pisces, this is the creation.
It's funny how the universe works. Look at this picture - it shows where the child is born. Literally and figuratively:


Here's another way to view this dilemma. Think of your brain as the vesica pisces (because it is). What happens when you blend the two hemispheres of your brain? Is it a coincidence that your pineal gland aka 3rd eye is in the very middle of your head? What usefulness does this have for you?

Check out the photos at the bottom. Look where God is standing in the first pic. What does it mean to obtain "God Consciousness"? On the left side stands the men (left, male, action, etc). On the right side stands the woman (right, female, creation, etc.)

Look carefully at these pictures. They are drawings/sculptings of the human skull. This wisdom is hidden in plain sight. In the second picture (st charles church in vienna), in the direct middle of the head reads an incription, Yahwah (god). See for yourself here is the symbol for yahwah. Here's some extra symbolism for you in this pic. The 7th chakra is on the very top of the skull. This is where the sunlight shines down. This is very deliberate.

Another fun example is from a documentary called "Microcosmos". These two snails are mating (although they can mate, snails are also hermies just fyi). Look at the symbolism. One snail's shell is pointed up. The others pointed down. They meet in the middle..............



So what can be said about opposites?

1. They aren't two different things.
2. They are two extremes of the same thing.
3. Blend them to create something new.

Think about this.

Me
You
Us

This is the vesica pisces. The flower of life (see my avatar) is when all of the you's and all of the me's on this earth blend.

World peace bitches. Let's do this.

Find your balance. Free yourself, free the planet.

Science is a method, whereas philosophy is a field encompassing many ideologies.

Not sure what significance your Venn Diagrams are... seems like coincidence.

Beefbisquit said it. Without a test protocol, it ain't science.
Oh, and that's quite the twat in the one picture. Looks Paleolithic somehow.
Also a minor technical point - it's "vesica piscis", Latin for "fish's bladder". cn

Thanks to you both for helping me re-evaluate my argument.

Also thanks for the spelling tip. Never been my strong suit.

More 'coincidence' :

Again, notice the male energy on jesus's left, female on the right. Yet again Jesus is placed in the middle of the vesica piscis. All of this is very deliberate.

is this finshaggys second account or his sock puppet( i dont know what that means)

love the diagram .. who needs ovaries when you have spirograph . . .

ever think about the decline in Spirograph and the rise in crime . . . think about it

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More symbolism.

is this finshaggys second account or his sock puppet( i dont know what that means)

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haha that makes two of us.

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Samwell Seed Well said:

ever think about the decline in Spirograph and the rise in crime . . . think about it

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....I will..... (slowly walks towards the door)...

Venn Diagrams are often used in logic, or Boolean algebra; just because there's three circles with something in the middle doesn't make it significant.

I see it as no more significant than Jesus' face in toast, or the virgin Mary imprinted on a building...

Mister Sister said:

Thanks to you both for helping me re-evaluate my argument.

Also thanks for the spelling tip. Never been my strong suit.

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Again, notice the male energy on jesus's left, female on the right. Yet again Jesus is placed in the middle of the vesica piscis. All of this is very deliberate.

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My issue with this is that I do not know what you mean by "male energy". "Energy" is a term scientists find themselves defending against the depredations of spiritists seeking the legitimacy of scientific language. However as no means are ever revealed to detect and measure this energy ... I think the use of the term is inappropriate. The Scientologists present an extreme case with their "e-meter", with which they attempt to exploit the noisy nature of measuring galvanic skin response by claiming it measures a spirit-energy.
But no material detector for this non-natural "energy" has ever been demonstrated without intent to deceive. cn

What?! You mean there's symbolism in art? Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!

cannabineer said:

My issue with this is that I do not know what you mean by "male energy". "Energy" is a term scientists find themselves defending against the depredations of spiritists seeking the legitimacy of scientific language. However as no means are ever revealed to detect and measure this energy ... I think the use of the term is inappropriate. The Scientologists present an extreme case with their "e-meter", with which they attempt to exploit the noisy nature of measuring galvanic skin response by claiming it measures a spirit-energy.
But no material detector for this non-natural "energy" has ever been demonstrated without intent to deceive. cn

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To me, that only says that science alone is inadequate. If there's no way to measure it, is that the energies' fault or the measurer's?

If you don't believe in unseen power, I can't make you believe it.

Check out this demonstration of the power of Chi. This is a show called "Fight Science". They have no idea what to say about this guy. To them, this can't exist yet they are watching it in complete amazement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOSkqGUK-M

In terms of energy having gender...

Gender is derived in latin from a word that means to create, or to beget.

A magnet doesn't function without a North and South pole.

A battery doesn't charge or give a charge without a positive and negative electrode.

Your brain has the same attributes, for it is part of everything. As above, so below. So below, as above. If you look closely you will find that every shape of every organ in our bodies can be found in 'nature'. So too will you find that merging positive and negative will create something new. Is it coincidence that meditation has been shown to balance the left and right hemispheres of the brain?


The things I am posting here are not meant to be forced upon you folks or anybody for that matter. This is a learning experience for me and you guys are my teachers.

If you disagree with me, that is totally fine. I am simply putting the information out there.

Again, thanks to all who have responded. You are very good teachers for me at this point in my life.

Mister Sister said:

To me, that only says that science alone is inadequate. If there's no way to measure it, is that the energies' fault or the measurer's?

If you don't believe in unseen power, I can't make you believe it.

Check out this demonstration of the power of Chi. This is a show called "Fight Science". They have no idea what to say about this guy. To them, this can't exist yet they are watching it in complete amazement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEOSkqGUK-M

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What I am saying is that energy is a word with definite meaning. If it cannot be measured or reproducibly appreciated in mundane space, it isn't energy. A distinct term that stands no chance of exploiting the spurious coattail effect needs to be coined and used. cn

Mister Sister said:

In terms of energy having gender...

Gender is derived in latin from a word that means to create, or to beget.

A magnet doesn't function without a North and South pole.

A battery doesn't charge or give a charge without a positive and negative electrode.

Your brain has the same attributes, for it is part of everything. As above, so below. So below, as above. If you look closely you will find that every shape of every organ in our bodies can be found in 'nature'. So too will you find that merging positive and negative will create something new. Is it coincidence that meditation has been shown to balance the left and right hemispheres of the brain?


The things I am posting here are not meant to be forced upon you folks or anybody for that matter. This is a learning experience for me and you guys are my teachers.

If you disagree with me, that is totally fine. I am simply putting the information out there.

Again, thanks to all who have responded. You are very good teachers for me at this point in my life.

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What I see is you citing the prevalence of duality in the world we experience.
I then see you stating that duality is a basic principle.

What I am missing is the derivation ... the steps that show how and why a prevalence necessarily becomes a principle. If you'd fill in the missing bits, I'll pay attention. cn

cannabineer said:

What I am saying is that energy is a word with definite meaning. If it cannot be measured or reproducibly appreciated in mundane space, it isn't energy. A distinct term that stands no chance of exploiting the spurious coattail effect needs to be coined and used. cn

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Energy has certain effects that can always be measured. This is how radioactivity was discovered by the strange effects of radium and all radioactive elements. Dark energy is so named because we can see measurable effects. Chi energy may be possible, it would be up to skeptics to determine if it exists by attempting to measure it. Figuring out how to control the variables may not be easy, but we cannot rule out there is no such thing as Qi gong or even psychic energy until we test for it. Most of the tests for psychic energy --that I am aware of, and I read a lot in this arena -- in the past have confirmed the null hypothesis and have not found any evidence.

This Fight Science video did a good start. Now they need to take a human analog, maybe a pig carcass, and attempt to replicate the results of the spear. Part of it looks to be related to a certain class of magic trick, although in a much more dangerous location. The bending of the staff allows him to put pressure from the bottom of the tip using the bone of the clavicle and not directly down on the tip. He would not be able to do this with a solid staff, IMO. For the baseball bat, I would like to see a swinging dummy to take the assistant out of play. He might have been able to train himself to wrist-brake just as he hits, so, although the speed indicates a vicious swing, a significant amount of energy is dissipated when there is no follow through. No doubt he can take a punch, those iron shirt training techniques build incredibly tough tissue.

Mister Sister said:

To me, that only says that science alone is inadequate. If there's no way to measure it, is that the energies' fault or the measurer's?

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Interesting that you conclude science is inadequate rather than examine your own thinking. Do you not think it's possible that you simply misunderstand science? What do you think science needs to change to become adequate?

If you don't believe in unseen power, I can't make you believe it.

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Something made you believe it. That something is either valid or invalid. Belief is based on evidence, or else it is delusion or conjecture. What you are really saying here is "If you don't agree with me, I can't make you agree with me", which says a lot about your position. It says you can not defend or sufficiently explain your belief, even as you present it to others.

I practiced Shaolin Chuan Fa Kung Fu from ages 13-24, and Chi Kung was a large part of the training. I believed in Chi for years, but the more I witnessed and as my critical thinking skills improved, I've come to believe there is no such thing. Some tricks are cool, but they're just that, tricks. If the tests in your video wanted to be accurate, they would have thrust the spear into the dude's neck the way they thrust it into the watermelon. I'd bet that if you took that watermelon and carefully and slowly applied force to the spear tip in a similar manner that fighter did, you could make the spear bend without puncturing the fruit. The bat that hit him was almost half the force of what hit the dummy, and it lessens the force of a blow to step into it. Moving toward a blow always lessens the impact as you are truncating the distance and velocity the blow would have had if it had the full distance and speed. Try it: have a buddy hit you in the arm hard when it's tensed and don't move a bit, then do it again but move quickly into the blow. It won't have as much impact...

cannabineer said:

What I see is you citing the prevalence of duality in the world we experience.
I then see you stating that duality is a basic principle.

What I am missing is the derivation ... the steps that show how and why a prevalence necessarily becomes a principle. If you'd fill in the missing bits, I'll pay attention. cn

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I will admit that I have no way of proving this. I'm not trying to. Both of us are equally right and wrong in my eyes.

Interesting that you conclude science is inadequate rather than examine your own thinking. Do you not think it's possible that you simply misunderstand science? What do you think science needs to change to become adequate?

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I don't think science needs to change anything necessarily. I just believe the other half of the equation - the irrational - is just as important. I am saying that the symbolism in the artwork etc. is telling us that.

Something made you believe it. That something is either valid or invalid. Belief is based on evidence, or else it is delusion or conjecture. What you are really saying here is "If you don't agree with me, I can't make you agree with me", which says a lot about your position. It says you can not defend or sufficiently explain your belief, even as you present it to others.

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That is certainly one point of view. Just as valid as any other.

Thanks again, I am learning a lot through this experience. It's funny because I wanted to use this information to teach others, and I am the one doing the most learning.

I practiced Shaolin Chuan Fa Kung Fu from ages 13-24, and Chi Kung was a large part of the training. I believed in Chi for years, but the more I witnessed and as my critical thinking skills improved, I've come to believe there is no such thing. Some tricks are cool, but they're just that, tricks. If the tests in your video wanted to be accurate, they would have thrust the spear into the dude's neck the way they thrust it into the watermelon. I'd bet that if you took that watermelon and carefully and slowly applied force to the spear tip in a similar manner that fighter did, you could make the spear bend without puncturing the fruit. The bat that hit him was almost half the force of what hit the dummy, and it lessens the force of a blow to step into it. Moving toward a blow always lessens the impact as you are truncating the distance and velocity the blow would have had if it had the full distance and speed. Try it: have a buddy hit you in the arm hard when it's tensed and don't move a bit, then do it again but move quickly into the blow. It won't have as much impact...

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That's very true there are a lot of unknown factors in play. TV is full of trickery in general.

You're on the right path

Might be taking the long way, though.

Skuxx said:

You're on the right path

Might be taking the long way, though.

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Thanks brother.

At least there's lots of flowers to smell