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Scrog advice needed

Discussion in 'Advanced Marijuana Cultivation' started by MidnightTrain, Jan 5, 2018.


    MidnightTrain Member

    How would you suggest i go about scrogging these? Half on one side are shorter than all the others but I'd like all the netting to be at the same height, is it too early to start bending them over under a net? I feel I should state this room has 2 4×8 trays with one having led over it and the other has hps. I just want to insure that by the time they are ready to flower I've filled the canopy completly

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    Flowki Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately they don't appear to fit the bill for scrog. When you scrog at flip you really want to have plants that have been topped a good 3 to 4 times (early on too) so that they make a very broad V shape with many tops near the same height.

    How old are these plants?. I don't want to jump the gun but they look like they are struggling.
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    Nafydad420 Well-Known Member

    you should top those plants, tease them and wait a couple weeks then put under a scrog... maybe too late.

    Sureshot2 Well-Known Member

    Not sure I agree with this statement, and I think you'll find many others who don't as well. I do most of my scrogs without ever topping, and at most, I'll top once just to buy me time if my timing is off on my perpetual setup. I have never had any issues with under filled screens or lack of bud sites, and by not topping 3-4 times as suggested, I can save a considerable amount of time on veg.

    I understand this is a widely debated topic, but I think its silly to suggest you can't scrog if you haven't topped many times. I do agree with you that the plants don't look so great and are definitely spindly looking, but I think these plants can easily be saved and even scrogged with decent end results.

    Nafydad420 Well-Known Member

    i agree, i have seen many people put tall plants late, into a small tent with a scrog and it be successful.
    Jypsy Dog

    Jypsy Dog Well-Known Member

    Bend the taller plants over on their sides to get an even height. Then flip after a few days of recovery. K.I.S.S

    Flowki Well-Known Member

    If you've already topped a few times and have a somewhat even canopy then you have already spread out top dominance over many sites that are suited to be late scrogged (especially in terms of structure and stem width). If he flips now, bends them over and puts them under a net it isn't close to optimal as the stress and redistribution is going to have a large effect (I'm also speculating he isn't getting the fastest growth to begin with). He will also lose a lot of stems/growth upon bending the plant as they simply will not reach the net. I didn't say it ''would not work ever'' but I do still stand by saying those plants do not fit the bill for a successful scrog. Just because they will flower and produce bud it doesn't mean it worked. I'm not trying to be a dick, just trying to help him out to get a better yield.

    I'm only holding this opinion because I've ran a couple side by sides with topped/late scrog and seen that scrog isn't win doing it late on unless done right. Also with hps light distribution (half his run is hps) scrog for most growers will be a loss. As I found out, an even canopy is only optimal if light distribution is also even. If using a hood, open hood (bent up completely flat) hps stadium is the most optimal assuming 3x3 per 600. I will say with certainty the stadium hps will kill scrog hps as you end up with something closer to 4x3 (adding in the outer stadium canopy vert growth) and more optimal light use/distribution.

    But it is ofc my opinion, no matter what it's based off.
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2018
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    Cletus clem

    Cletus clem Well-Known Member

    Height is pretty easy to deal with at flip. Prop up shorter plants! I only top once if at all, i pinch dominate fan leaves that make up the canopy. This is especially helpful with strains that like to grow vertically (cookies?) as even when topping, they jst keep shooting up, with more tops yes, but, branching is still minimal. I have a pretty good description on this in my journal, bodhi seeds lemon lotus. Once ive built a good canopy, i flip with the screen 4-6” above the canopy. As the plants grow up and into the screen, i spread the shoots out in a way that will fill the canopy evenly. As the shoots growing through are spread, middle shoots will fill in the slots created. Many ways to skin a cat. Also many ways to grow the green. I dont condone skinning cats.
    At flip 4DFCB1A5-6CF4-4A9C-B40B-9498FA5A65A8.jpeg just before harvest 223A2235-0D75-4537-88E2-8F492CCA02BB.jpeg
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    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    20151028_232037.jpg these where just bent over and played with alot lol excuse the mess was an emergency setup :) 20151107_134050.jpg
    This was the top
    Everplant was a different strain :)

    This was not a pretty grow btw lol

    You can do what you like as far as . Bending em over vs topping i believe a better discusion would be which part of the plants receives what.

    Just remember to put the squat plants closer to the light and the stretchers around the outside

    When i run plants for the first time i like to let them go un topped so i can see what the strain will do ..

    Just my 2

    MidnightTrain Member

    Ok I see the confusion here, I'm not going to be flipping them over to flower for another month or so, I have time to let them get where id like them to be or atleast as close as possible, just wanted some advice on how to arrange them to properly fill the canopy, and or if I should wait for the side branches to get longer before bending them over and putting under a net
    Last edited: Jan 8, 2018
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    MidnightTrain Member

    I bought them as hydro teens 2 weeks ago, put them in soil when I got them (due to my severe ignorance on how to successully run a hydro system) and have been topping since.

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Im my opinion just make sure to put the squat plants under the light and the stretchers around the outer of the scrog :)
    Jypsy Dog

    Jypsy Dog Well-Known Member

    Your looking for a guide?

    Flowki Well-Known Member

    Ah I see. Well, maybe a month will do the stem thickness some good if you can control the height.

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