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dynamitejack said:

The zeitgeist movies are great intros for people that are living in a bubble, but I would hardly consider them the final word for everything you need to know about government.
If you would like to know how to live freely without the government go to www.freetalklive.com & www.freestateproject.org

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a bubble? lol you would rather believe the MEDIA provided by your government??/? sucker!!!,

This is still going..??

GrimReefa said:

a bubble? lol you would rather believe the MEDIA provided by your government??/? sucker!!!,

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No you misunderstood me, I meant that zeitgeist movies is a eye opener for people that are living in their nationalist bubble. I was saying that although they provide good information the movie doesn't teach you everything you need to know about the government. Once you realize that the government causes all of our problems you have to figure out what to do next. If you want to know what to do in order to live free of the coercive government visit www.freestateproject.org and the link in my sig.

hahahahaha, they voted, and were tricked by a brotha. Oh well, they will be poisoning they supply soon i am sure. You see now its been widely spread that it is harmless. Right? Right? Yea, well this is how it probly works. The black market is a bunch of people. A whole bunch, and by legalizing we will kill the cartels but many middlemen in the process. Then you add a bunch of people that have been basically working off the books, paying no taxes into the unemployment pool,therefor collecting nothing when they can't find a job. Ok this is where the legality issue comes in. MJ is illegal, but i truely believe that is so they CAN prosecute people, if they take it too far and start selling or starting following and such. Basically going public about it. I know alot of folks on here grow for prsonal use, I would say at least 90% of RIU people don't sell thier stuff. Maybe trade but no sell. So my guess this would not be a targeted site, or these types of growers being targeted. My point is maybe thats why its illegal. But all in all with all the good products and fuels that can come from it and legit jobs. I don't get it? Its like if people started banning corn cause it attracts deer that can cause highway accidents. Its just toooo what if?

Yes Obama's response on pot was similar to Akmaddinajads response to his people in thier protest. And both parties just want freedom. Both partys were ignored or blown off by thier "elected leaders" and both parties will not resort to violence. In one case Obama claims "trolls" we messing with the votes about marijuana legalisation. And Akkmadinajad claims that heres how the votes were counted and thats it. And as for americans, especially pot activists. Most do not want to protest because we dont want to clog up streets, we don't want to Impose our will on others. We don't want to have a mob of people in a place without enough trash cans and bathrooms to make it clean and safe for participants and people who live and work nearby. Marijuana users are in all facets of society and in all societal classes. Even some warriors and ex warriors embrace this peaceful plant. So I ask we no longer be ignored and oppressed. The fact is we must remain hidden with hands tied. We should not have actions that mirror a dictatorship. I like Obama, and i know it seems like he would lose alot of ground in the polls, but really, there are so many unaccounted for pot smokers. I talked to everyone i know that smokes and they have never been a part of an official poll. And some don't participate in fear of Entrapment. Cops made a TV show around this so its a real fear. It turns out that some people started to see how laws really affect a community. Most people can accually live without laws, just by doing what is truely right. Think of all of the people who have lived thier whole lives without using the services of a police officer, really not many. Legalization will not hurt regular cops, the DEA wouldn't shed one job. They could switch thier efforts to harmful substances

What about the double victum? The people who get robbed and have a pot growin in a closet. Or when an appartment burns down, due to "slave labor wiring" illigal immagrant labor. It was not that they suck, its just they were too many unexperianced people doing to much, too fast. Everything was built on contract, so the faster and cheaper its built the nore money is made. Now with all the appartment fires going on its obviuos. However beware, if investigators fing a pot plant, or even a soil pot a closet and a light, no matter what the fire looks like, they will pin it on that. Or will they not? You see that may put the liability on the a person that is probly way poor and not moving up too fast, like most of his nighbors, half of which don't use pot but are in the same location an economic situation. So that disproves that marijuana use is a main contributer in quality of life! I can argue any point for legalization except: 1. Without vaporizing it can hurt your lungs! Its SMOKE!!!!!! DUH! I think that sitting too close to a campfire or a grill probly have similar or worse physical health effests that a unfiltered joint. However its a matter of exsposure. 2. Frequent and habitiual marijuana use below the age of 25 will slow your progress in life, habitual use of anything will adversly affect your life. Drink alot of coffe all of a sudden, maybe try fancy coffee. It will change you a but, but managable. Moderation for young smokers is key. 3. Some people just love weed too much. Its cool but its not everything. Some moderation whether is key. Even if its 5 days a week. This will make a noticeable diff in your wallet, time management, and quality of high! 4. There is a chance that some people are just too dumb to use it. But at the same time i think that these dumb people will never cease to amaze you sometimes.

I think that marijuana contains some great compounds. My hopes are that researchers are trying to break all of these compounds down into seperate groups. Testing what each does. And working towards that perfect bud. Ah, but we are all genetically different so that is why we all like diffent kinds. It so happens that the really strond shit is strong in every compound so it pleases everyone. However if 100% legal man could create and bread his own, and his wifes own meds. Maybe find new kinds from a neighbor. Dammit it just seems so right! How it was done in the iceman days. He had herb with him in the mountains. He had enough for remenents to remain. He was mystreriously found recently after prohibition started to crack out west. I will not give up on this. But trashing up my city with traditional protest.

And what is truely scarly about this tax on carbon emmisions, it is being combated by "enviromentalist" that literallly what to turn the sea red with iron in turn for for carbon emmesion money! So they are making a system that adds human altered iron alge into the ocean. It will kill off the natural stuff. I think this is a bit crazy. They may be weeker, and later we find out, by then they have bred as stronger, and most iron algae is a half or more breed of our recreation. well all of a sudden it looses its resistance to a common seaboarne micro virus, and then they all die, and then the iron just keep dieing off. Hemp makes cleaner plastics and building materials. Portugal is a great example of how legalization goes. When you lift the ban the criminals go elsewhere, like america after 2001. Thats when the cronic hit the streets. It just so happened to be when portugal lifted thier ban. While we had gangster wrap they had a boost in society and agriculture. Go figure. I wish i could just sit down with all those who are afraid of a lift on prohibition and ensure them it will be ok, and why.

One thing i've realized is that weed calms pretty much anybody down if weed was legalized, crime would probably go down alot. People would be happier. Weed also helps you feel alot better if youre sick (if you dont smoke like 5 times a day) and i think thats another reason why the government wont legalize it, it would take away money from the hospitals.

trippinballs said:

One thing i've realized is that weed calms pretty much anybody down if weed was legalized, crime would probably go down alot. People would be happier. Weed also helps you feel alot better if youre sick (if you dont smoke like 5 times a day) and i think thats another reason why the government wont legalize it, it would take away money from the hospitals.

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It is not the hospitals that would take the hit...it is the Pharmaceutical companies, Alcohol and tobacco...All with VERY powerful lobbyists....after that it hits the timber/paper industry, oil and gas, and cotton and the tons of chemical pesticide needed to grow it...Our former president's family had large holdings in Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals and Exxon Oil...who knows what else.

The only thing destroying pharm's and tobacco and oil is the govt. and lawyers...... tag team till there is nothing but bones left. Then they can step in and "save' us....

CrackerJax said:

The only thing destroying pharm's and tobacco and oil is the govt. and lawyers...... tag team till there is nothing but bones left. Then they can step in and "save' us....

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I was unaware that the Pharmaceutical industry, Tobacco and Oil were doing so poorly...I guess I have not been doing my part.

It's a rare jewel of a moment when the Govt. can increase your taxes and cost of living all at the same time.

CrackerJax said:

It's a rare jewel of a moment when the Govt. can increase your taxes and cost of living all at the same time.

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I sense we are talking about a tobacco tax...?

EVERYTHING.... everything will be going up up up, at the same time as your taxes increase and jobs are lost.

Until we break.... that's the plan, unfortunately.

Dis you see where Barney Frank wants Fred and Fannie to loosen credit requirements again? The Fed's are now convinced the ppl are stoopid.... I'm beginning to agree.

CrackerJax said:

EVERYTHING.... everything will be going up up up, at the same time as your taxes increase and jobs are lost.

Until we break.... that's the plan, unfortunately.

Dis you see where Barney Frank wants Fred and Fannie to loosen credit requirements again? The Fed's are now convinced the ppl are stoopid.... I'm beginning to agree.

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The whole credit based paper dollar system is almost a pyramid scam. Although the Zeitgeist shit is pretty crazy, the shit they have on the fed and the system they have created is spot on. We (as a country) owe so much on the money that is in the system, and the only way we can pay anything but interest is to borrow more. Either war with our creditors, a fire sale of US holdings or a complete collapse of everything as we know it...possibly all three, I fear/hope may be in the near future.

As for taxes...I do not make much, and therefore pay very little...can't get blood from a turnip! Sales tax yes...but I do not buy much (cuz Iz po!) No tax on food (starting to grow my own)...often brew my own beer...my vehicle property tax fills pot holes and overpays cal-trans...so that's cool...I am for sure paying too much in fuel tax even though much of it goes to interstate highways (not really getting our $'s worth if you ever drive the 10 in the IE...it will rattle the bolts out of your car)...I pay too much in rent, but no direct tax, and the property I am looking at buying is $67 a year....

Now social security and medi-care neither of which will ever bennefit me...old folks should be a little nicer to the young!

I guess if I did not have any dependents and made a nice wage...taxes would bother me. Personally I am trying to move towards a lifestyle detached from the systems that creates scarcity of and competition for basic resources, which creates the stresses which lead to wants, desires and vices destructive to human happiness.

We the Sheeple have been led astray for so long we cannot remember life any other way...TV dinners, Wonder Bread and Polyester; these are the things that were handed down to my generation from our parents and grandparents.

Before we all die of cancer, stroke and heart disease from the convieniences of the 20th century...we need to re-learn a millenia of lost skills...we need clean air, water and a healthy Earth from which nutritious foods and medicinal herbs that keep humans naturally in balance and disease free...real healthcare reform!

The entire govt. has been turned into a Ponzi scheme in the last 6 months. The dominoes are almost all set up for failure. It will merely take time.

Yes, our debt load has been stretched in the last 15 years, since we abandoned Ronald Reagan, one of the very very few Presidents to actually understand our economy. Both Bushes and Clinton in between were terrible at continuing along the correct path. This is where it leads to....failure.

nuthing will change untill we as people change, and we say that we have had enuf! how else will something change if they dont know that something is wronge with out our input then they would think that the sytem is working even tho it is NOT. so we need to bring to there attention what is truly happening, am i right or am i way off base?

Nothing has changed in the last 6mos besides the DEA and Cali MMJ. This system started with the sham Panic of 1909 and the Federal Reserve in 1913.

You need to take another look at the amount of debt incurred under Lord Raygun...this is when it was kicked into high gear...a few scamming the masses.

Reagan was an actor...a delegator... he was high as a kite on GHWB's Eli Lilly's Halcyon (this was not an accident!)...he was falling asleep during Iran-Contra...He said in public (on camera) that Marijuana was the most dangerous drug known to mankind...just another socal wannabe cowboy schmucks...Arnold without the voice of reason in his ear at night...Nancy was a loon too!

Hay... are you aware of the massive spending spree which is going on right now? Obama has already spent more than every other President COMBINED. Reagan spent, but his investments paid off for us. Obama will only bring debt with little else to show for it. Massive debt.