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Self sustainable gardeners

Discussion in 'Organics' started by Hippie hipper, Jan 7, 2018.

    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    Hey guys wondering if anyone else tries to save money/earth by using diy tactics like I do! I mainly do it for the money but found it's fun to compost and stuff.

    So flowers I plant around my house for my cannabis garden!(perinals only)

    (Great for compost teas and soil additives)
    These 3 can be cut down, and they always grow back, providing all the benefits year after year!

    I use thermal composting system, it requires more work but trust me it's worth it! I toss every veggie scrap into it, along with a tablespoon or 2 of kelp every 4 weeks. I have a long process of starting my pile and I get finished compost every 28 days.


    Fish bone meal, after I go fishing(trout I'm from CO) I use the meat for food and then the bones for bone meal. I can post how I do this if anyone wants to know.

    Ewc simple worm farm I only do this during the winter

    Alfalfa meal, I plant alfalfa grass once a year throughout my entire gardens harvest and grind It up and ferment it

    Cabbage...yes cabbage lol I grow it every year what I don't eat I ferment and use for a good bacteria source

    Any other at home ideas for sustainability?

    I basically only buy kelp meal and azomite. Because I cannot source these at home lol
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    JavaCo Well-Known Member

    Comfrey is a good one that can be grown around the yard, it is a great bio accumulator. You want to get the blocking 14 so it wont produce viable seeds. If not it can take over a yard and is very difficult to get rid once established.
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    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    Good Call! I honestly forgot all about comfrey! Is it possible to get a non gmo non viable seed producer though? I'm one of "those guys" when comes to organics haha. Gonna have to add those to the yard for sure. Thanks

    JavaCo Well-Known Member

    It is not GMO, was made by hybridization natural crosses. Dont think there is enough money in comfrey for the big companies to GMO it.
    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    That's what I like to hear lol

    Crazy how harmonious our planet is, why I never understand chemical grows
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    JavaCo Well-Known Member

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    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    Comfrey is a permaculturalists best friend :)
    I am also digging your concept here. I am slowly working my way there.
    Cheers :)
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    Devildenis69 Active Member

    Hey all !
    I was about to start growing my own ferts (alfalfa, comfrey, yarrow), but after some research, theres something i dont get.
    As all of them are bio-accumulators, they should have a similar mineral profile to the soil they were grown in, so let's say my soil is lacking Ca, does it mean I will never be able to fill this lack with some ferts grown in this same soil ?
    In other words does one need to have an already perfectly balanced soil, in order to grow his own ferts ?
    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    Well in terms of plant available Ca, it first has to be chelated, through the microorgism. Bacillus pops in my head first, they will provide some Ca. It's also not a very rare strain of bacteria, but if you wanted to be 100% sure, mix up some OrgeonismXL it contains a lot of beneficial organisms that will jump start that population and start preparing their natural habitat to thrive and multiple.
    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    Honestly and I mean honestly. I haven't ran into a calcium issue since I left bottles and went no till.(tried a coco mix this go round...fucking hate it lol) My peat mix has never shown a sign of it. If you like seafood...oysters shells can be a good source for your health and you can make them into an amazing source of CaMg for a fertilizer.

    Devildenis69 Active Member

    Hey Hippie, thx for the info, I think my formulation was a bit misleading, the Ca was just an example, Im new to organics, thus I dont have a well balanced thriving soil as most of you do, that's why I was wondering if there was a point to grow my own ferts in my soil to supplement the same soil.
    In my understanding, if my soil is un-balanced regarding any element, it will never be able to be well balanced back by supplementing it with some ferts grown in this same soil; am I right ? or am I missing something ?

    I will grow alfalfa for hormones, but let's take comfrey, what would be the point of growing it ? is it just like putting back in the soil the minerals in pretty much the same ratio they were already in ?

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    I know if i had some more direct sunlight for longer than 5 hrs (alaska days lol)

    Id be using some of those vacuum insulated solar tubes for heating

    Crazy stuff to boil water outside in below 0 temps using just the sun :)
    Hippie hipper

    Hippie hipper Member

    I don't grow my fertilizers or additives in "proper" soil. They grow in soil along side my house and fences. I give a compost tea to them once a month. A proper soil doesn't need additives or honestly anything. If you did run into issues watering with coconut water, aloe, molasses etc fixes most problems. That being said I don't add say alfalfa meal for the N-P-K I add it for the microbial aspect. Same goes for all the other amendments. A proper soil comes from the biology for organics not amendments. So if your soil is missing "Mg" something is off in the soil with your microbial life not so much the lack of Mg. Mg could be bountiful just lacking the microbes to break it down. I hope I'm answering a little more correctly this time. Sorry about the off the wall answer previously I read it and my mind went a different direction. Lol
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