Should i trim leaves? Day 28 since the flip

Gingergrow

Gingergrow

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Afgan King said:
Looks good buddy I personally wouldn't mess with your plants till u know them. I do a lot of diff shit but been doing it a long time and if done wrong can hurt yield but can improve yield if right. Best thing to do learn your plants learn what they love and keep researching great job for a 150
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Thanks bud, I appreciate it, I might grab another subsystem 150
 
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bict

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Uberknot said:
Hehe.....ought to see mine! :P mostly stripped and tops bent over to make it all compact in the light zone for COB.

It did not take long for the plants to recover and start pushing out many pistils and new growth.

Anyhow these are first crosses of some elite GGG random breeding.

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I grow outside so the concept is foreign to me :p.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Gingergrow said:
For a 150w hps and being my first grow, I think they look healthy, they fattening up decent for four weeks of flower
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They look beautiful. The techniques all the "experts" are arguing about has its place. You are better to watch and learn and experiment for yourself when you feel comfortable.

The commercial grows have the lights up high and they have different goals and needs. So they develop techniques to help with their individual situations.

I grow in an old house with a low ceiling. I cut nothing off my plants and get them to bud up through the whole canopy by keeping them short.

Also if deficiencies or problems come up the more leaves the plant has the more chances to get them healthy and growing well if some are dying.

There is no real argument here. It depends on your garden's needs.
 
Uberknot

Uberknot

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MichiganMedGrower said:
They look beautiful. The techniques all the "experts" are arguing about has its place. You are better to watch and learn and experiment for yourself when you feel comfortable.

The commercial grows have the lights up high and they have different goals and needs. So they develop techniques to help with their individual situations.

I grow in an old house with a low ceiling. I cut nothing off my plants and get them to bud up through the whole canopy by keeping them short.

Also if deficiencies or problems come up the more leaves the plant has the more chances to get them healthy and growing well if some are dying.

There is no real argument here. It depends on your garden's needs.
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For sure you want healthy plants anytime you are going to train, crop. top, etc....no matter when
 
tharoomman

tharoomman

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OP, they look fantastic. Very good job with that 150watt. I had one, but the footprint on them is small.

I will defoliate some at the end of veg, if the node spacing is really really tight, and I may do a little after the stretch in flowering...

Here's my issue with lollipoping.

1: bud sites that don't get direct light don't do as good as the other, right?
2:less leaves = less ability to collect energy from photosynthesis.

I usually try and not think about this subject lol.:wall:
 
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maters

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dtl420 said:
The leaves are very important in diagnosing deficiencies and diseases in the plant. Many argue that trimming leaves causes the plant to focus more on bud growth, but it's quite the contrary.. Every bit of the light, water, co2, and minerals the plant can convert into energy and biomass is crucial to bud growth. Nutrients are drawn to your plant by water evaporating and being converted to sugars in the leaves. While water dissipates from the leaves' surface water and water soluble minerals move on from the medium through the roots (bulk flow). Thus the more leaf, the more water /nutrient movement, the more biomass generation from the plant.

Tucking leaves to allow light to the bud sites is good, but absolutely avoid removing any green leaves.
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Does light on the buds contribute significantly or just the light that hits the leaves?
 
dtl420

dtl420

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maters said:
Does light on the buds contribute significantly or just the light that hits the leaves?
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I haven't researched how much direct light effects bud growth, but through personal experience I have noticed more growth to the lower 1/3rd with direct light. Not much more, just a matter of an extra 1/8oz or so of popcorn in the hash pile. This can be achieved by a few cfl's under the canopy coupled with proper branch training to spread the canopy open and allow light to penetrate to lower bud sites.

But on the other hand my colas are much smaller when I lose too many fan leafs to diseases or deficiencies. The fully grown leafs are basically sugar factories, requiring very little maintenance from the plant to keep alive. And if the plant is deficient in any mobile nutrient, it takes it from the lower leafs, defoliating itself as needed, and sends the deficient nutrient up the shoot, which during flowering are the buds!

If you ever feel froggy, take 2 clones from mama, and when buds first emerge heavily defoliate one and just train the other and record the outcome. And if you do, please share it with the community! But I'd have to say, based on what I've seen in my experiences, the one left to it's devices will outperform the other overall.

Good luck, and stay curious, my friend.
 
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