Should we end Medicaid and Medicare?....
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john.roberts85
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If we moved to a single-payer system, the two programs would effectively end. So yes, we should end Medicaid and Medicare.
Mr Neutron
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Yeah, what the hell are they thinking. Where else can you lose $60+B to fraud, waste and incompetence?
NLXSK1
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Barak Obama is the most dangerous thing concerning Medicare...
He already siphoned off 700 billion dollars from it to fund his new monstrosity...
Why dont you address that?
ChesusRice
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Define siphon off.
Or better yet talk about the cuts to medicare recipients. Go ahead. i got all day
ginwilly
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700B was cut from Medicare in Obamacare Cheesus. You've already learned this the hard way. Where does that money come from? maybe co-pays?
If we are going to keep medicare the eligibility age needs to be raised. It also needs to be voluntary and allowed to be a secondary when people own private insurance too.
If we are going to keep medicare the eligibility age needs to be raised. It also needs to be voluntary and allowed to be a secondary when people own private insurance too.
ChesusRice
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Seems like just yesterday that the big Republican talking point was that Obamacare cuts $500 billion from Medicare. Now, it's $700 billion. That's the number -- $716 billion to be precise -- that's gotten tossed around this week.
We've posted two fact-checks to explore the back and forth between the campaigns.
In an interview on the CBS program 60 Minutes, Mitt Romney said Obama "robbed Medicare" of $716 billion to pay for "Obamacare." We found that exaggerated what Obama had done in the health care law.
While the health care law reduces the amount of future spending growth in Medicare, the law doesn't actually cut Medicare. Savings come from reducing money that goes to private insurers who provide Medicare Advantage programs, among other things. The money wasn’t "robbed." We rated the statement Mostly False.
Responding to the Romney attack, Obama campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said Ryan's budget relies on the same $700 billion in savings from Medicare that Mitt Romney and other Republicans have been attacking Democrats about.
Ryan has confirmed that, and we rated it True
ginwilly
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So republicans cutting "the same 700B" is true but "the same 700B" cut by Obamacare is not really true because it's just reimbursement to insurance companies. You think there might be some co-pay coming from the patients to cover the rest or are drug companies just going to eat it?
The CBO scored it as a 700B cut. It's been posted here before straight from their site.
The CBO scored it as a 700B cut. It's been posted here before straight from their site.
ChesusRice
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So there should be a corresponding cut in services to medicare recipients
Can you demonstrate this?
Harrekin
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Why not just cut it entirely and go for Universal Healthcare?
People still part-pay for elective surgery and over here birth control is subsidised but not free (it does cost less than pregnancy afterall).
Why can't the US make the leap? It's healthcare ffs, you're not even "giving money away"...it's HEALTHCARE.
ChesusRice
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Becuase that is socialist and then the goverment will try to kill our grandparents
At least that is what the republicans are saying
SnakeByte
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When capitalism fails (which it inevitably will due to inflation) Socialism is the only thing to fall back on.
IF you don't want to be a communist or live in a dictatorship.
Medicare is a good thing. Fuck insurance companies. Who are they to dictate when I need the money I put into their company just cuz I didn't tell them I got sick that one time or some other BS?
IF you don't want to be a communist or live in a dictatorship.
Medicare is a good thing. Fuck insurance companies. Who are they to dictate when I need the money I put into their company just cuz I didn't tell them I got sick that one time or some other BS?
NLXSK1
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Capitalism is failing because the government has twisted it to the point it is not recognizable.
Inflation will happen because the government is printing money and devaluing our currency. That has noting to do with whether capitalism works or fails as a concept.
ChesusRice
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NLXSK1
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Monopoly is a game...
Show my a better system than Capitalism that is currently working in the world.
ChesusRice
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SnakeByte
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One person ends up owning everything...
NLXSK1
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And those countries practice what form of government?
I would be surprised to find out that Canada, Germany and Switzerland were not capitalists...
I have clients from Canada. They have jobs, they make money and they buy houses in the USA with the money they make. Doesnt seem socialist to me...
Basically you are advocating the further confiscation of goods and services from the productive sector and re-diversion to the non-productive center of society.
SnakeByte
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"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils of Capitalism, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."
-Albert Einstein
Thought I would share this little gem.
-Albert Einstein
Thought I would share this little gem.
SnakeByte
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Capitalism doesn't mean you can buy a house... it has to with the corporation's profit, supply and demand, and the fact that they can charge whatever they like not to mention competition.