Common sense ?
You think every breeder that claims to have elites have them ?
Naive to think they do, you wouldn't give your elite cut to anyone to make profit right ? Why you think these guys will haha
They just use the name, as it sells best, do you have evidence to back the claim they have a legit GG4 cut from Josey or dosido from Archive ?
If you do I'll be happily wrong and run to buy their seeds, but who knows ?
So other than seed packs, which is s1 of any elite clone, collabs here and there and maybe just good luck it's not logical to assume that.
All these pollen chuck breeders let you tap into the genetic lineage, a far cry from hitting every seed pack in something that even resemble the supposedly elite mother that was used.
A lot of dilution is going on in this process, a select few is actually making good seeds cause they come from the original elites, all the rest is a shoot in the dark pheno hunt.