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Soil make up

Discussion in 'Organics' started by petert, Mar 14, 2017.

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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    I'm ditching my old soil from last year because I had a pretty bad Russet mite outbreak and I want to get rid of possible eggs in the old soil. My soil source is made up of:
    40% Dark fine aged fir
    30% composted yard debris
    15% composted manure
    10% pumice
    5% sand

    I have access to worm castings and rabbit and goat manure. Any other suggestions for amendments?
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

    where is you calcium and k?
     
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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    I was looking for good amendments.
    Two that came to mind were Alfalfa meal and crushed oyster shell.
    I also have a 55 gallon drum of Pacific Grow oceanic hydroslate. Crab and shrimp
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

    alfalfa would be good, crushed shell is also good to use, if you looking for k, think of chopped fine pumpkin seed, a guy on another forum which we call the nutty professor uses it in his compost pike for the K, since its exactly what pumpkin is, just a though
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    I have also been feeding plants with Nectar For the Gods.
    But I'm thinking of moving away from that line because it's $$$$
     
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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the advice!! I'll look in to pumpkin seeds
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

    no problem, always happy to help if i can
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    greensand is also a good source of K and is slow release.
     
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    dannyboy602

    dannyboy602 Well-Known Member

    I read that and didnt see where it was benificial in soil. Link me if u see it.
    Id add azomite. Lime? Guess thats it.
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    don't use azomite, high in aluminum. get a basalt or glacial rock dust instead. just a thought....
     
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    GroDank101

    GroDank101 Well-Known Member

    dang i already mixed azomite in with my organic soil. and i didnt go light with it either, too late its in there now :(, but i wont use anymore of it in the future - aluminum is pretty harmful i think. other ingredients i have are kelp meal, bokashi bran, pumice, endo mycorrhizae, and neem seed meal
     
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    backtracker

    backtracker Well-Known Member

    You don't have to ditch your old soil just get some predatory nematodes https://greenmethods.com/nematodes/
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    it's ok. one application aint gonna hurt anything. but continued use over time and recycling soil and leaves over and over would build it up
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

    Here i share this with another person on here, just thought this would help you out when you doing your soil......little help with NPK ratio

    here's a list of material for composting etc / with NPK values.
    Material Nitrogen Phosphoric acid Potash
    Alfalfa hay 2.45 0.5 2.1
    Apple fruit 0.05 0.02 0.1
    Apple leaves 1 0.15 0.35
    Apple pomace 0.2 0.02 0.15
    Apple skin (ash) - 3.08 11.74
    Banana skin (ash) - 3.25 41.76
    Banana stalk (ash) - 2.34 49.4
    Barley (grain) 1.75 0.75 0.5
    Bat guano 6 9 -
    Bean and pod 0.25 0.08 0.3
    Beet waste 0.4 0.4 3
    Beet waste (root) 0.25 0.1 0.5
    Blood meal 15 1.3 0.7
    Bone meal 4 21 0.2
    Bone (ground and burned) - 34.7 -
    Brewer's grains (wet) 0.9 0.5 0.05
    Brigham tea (ash) - - 5.94
    Cantaloupe rind (ash) - 9.77 12.21
    Castor bean pomace 5.5 2.25 1.13
    Cattail reed & water lilly 2.02 0.81 3.43
    Cattail seed 0.98 0.39 1.71
    Chicken manure 1.63 1.54 0.85
    Coal ash (anthracite) - 0.125 0.125
    Coal ash (bituminous) - 0.45 0.45
    Cocoa shell dust 1.04 1.49 2.71
    Coffee grounds 2.08 0.32 0.28
    Coffee grounds (dried) 1.99 0.36 0.67
    Corn (grain) 1.65 0.65 0.4
    Corn (green forage) 0.3 0.13 0.33
    Corncob (ground, charred) - - 2.01
    Corncob (ash) - - 50
    Cotton seed 3.15 1.25 1.15
    Cottonseed meal 7 2.5 1.5
    Cottonseed-hull (ash) - 8.7 23.93
    Cotton waste 1.32 0.45 0.36
    Cow manure (fresh) 0.29 0.17 0.1
    Cowpea, green forage 0.45 0.12 0.45
    Cowpes, seed 3.1 1 1.2
    Crab (common) 1.95 3.6 0.2
    Crab (king, dried and ground) 10 0.25 0.06
    Crab (king, fresh) 2.3 - -
    Crabgrass 0.66 0.19 0.71
    Cucumber skin (ash) - 11.28 27.2
    Dog manure (fresh) 1.97 9.95 0.3
    Duck manure (fresh) 1.12 1.44 0.49
    Egg 2.25 0.4 0.15
    Eggshell (burned) - 0.43 0.29
    Eggshell 1.19 0.38 0.14
    Feather 15.3 - -
    Felt hat factory waste 3.8 - 0.98
    Field bean (seed) 4 1.2 1.3
    Field bean (shell) 1.7 0.3 1.3
    Fish scrap (red snapper) 7.76 13 0.38
    Fish scrap (fresh) 6.5 3.75 -
    Greasewood (ash) - - 12.61
    Gluten feed 4.5 - -
    Greensand - 1.5 5
    Grape leaves 0.45 0.1 0.35
    Grapes (fruit) 0.15 0.07 0.3
    Grapefruit skin (ash) - 3.58 30.6
    Hair 14 - -
    Hare and rabbit waste 7 2.4 0.6
    Hoof meal and horn dust 12.5 1.75 -
    Horse manure (fresh) 0.44 0.17 0.35
    Incinerator ash 0.24 5.15 2.33
    Jellyfish (dried) 4.6 - -
    Leather (acidulated) 7.5 - -
    Leather (ground) 11 - -
    Leather (ash) - 2.16 0.35
    Lemon cull 0.15 0.06 0.26
    Lemon skin - 6.3 31
    Lobster (refuse) 4.5 3.5 -
    Lobster (shell) 4.6 3.52 -
    Milk 0.5 0.3 0.18
    Mud (fresh water) 1.37 0.26 0.22
    Mud (harbour) 0.99 0.77 0.05
    Mussel 0.9 0.12 0.13
    Mussel mud (dried) 0.72 0.35 -
    Molasses residue (brewing) 0.7 - 5.32
    Moss 0.6 0.1 0.55
    Oak leaf 0.8 0.35 0.15
    Oats grain 2 0.8 0.6
    Olive pomace 1.15 0.78 1.26
    Olive refuse 1.22 0.18 0.32
    Orange cull 0.2 0.13 0.21
    Orange skin (ash) - 2.9 27
    Oyster shell 0.36 10.38 0.09
    Paint processing waste 0.02 39.5 -
    Pea pod (ash) - 1.79 9
    Peach leaf 0.9 0.15 0.6
    Peanut (seed & kernel) 3.6 0.7 4.5
    Peanut shell 0.8 0.15 0.5
    Peanut shell (ash) - 1.23 6.45
    Pigeon manure (fresh) 4.19 2.24 1.41
    Pig manue (fresh) 0.6 0.41 0.13
    Pigweed (rough) 0.6 0.16 -
    Pine needle 0.46 0.12 0.03
    Potato (tuber) 0.35 0.15 0.5
    Potato (leaf and stalk) 0.6 0.15 0.45
    Potato skin (ash) - 5.18 27.5
    Poudrette 1.46 3.68 0.48
    Powderworks waste 2.5 - 17
    Prune refuse 0.18 0.7 0.31
    Pumpkin (fresh) 0.16 0.07 0.26
    Pumpkin seed 0.87 0.5 0.45
    Rabbit brush (ash) - - 13.04
    Ragweed 0.76 0.26 -
    Redtop hay 1.2 0.35 1
    Rhubarb stem 0.1 0.04 0.35
    Rockweed 1.9 0.25 3.68
    Rose (flower) 0.3 0.1 0.4
    Salt-marsh hay 1.1 0.25 0.75
    Salt mud 0.4 - -
    Sardine scrap 7.97 7.11 -
    Seawood 1.68 0.75 4.93
    Sheep manure (fresh) 0.55 0.31 0.15
    Shoddy and felt 8 - -
    Shrimp head (dried) 7.82 4.2 -
    Shrimp waste 2.87 9.95 -
    Silt waste 9.5 - -
    Silk mill waste 8.37 1.14 0.12
    Silk worm cocoon 9.42 1.82 1.08
    Sludge 2 1.9 0.3
    Sludge (activated) 5 3.25 0.6
    Sludge from sewer beds 0.74 0.33 0.24
    Soot from chimney fllue 5.25 1.05 0.35
    Starfish 1.8 0.2 0.25
    Sunflower seed 2.25 1.25 0.79
    Sugar (raw, residue) 1.14 8.33 -
    Sweet potato skins (ash) - 3.29 13.89
    Sweet potato 0.25 0.1 0.5
    Tanbark (ash) - 0.34 3.8
    Tanbark ash (spent) - 1.75 2
    Tankage 6 5 -
    Tea grounds 4.15 0.62 0.4
    Tea leaves (ash) - 1.6 0.44
    Timothy hay 1.25 0.55 1
    Tobacco leaves 4 0.5 6
    Tobacco stalk 3.7 0.65 4.5
    Tobacco stem 2.5 0.9 7
    Tomato fruit 0.2 0.07 0.35
    Tomato leaves 0.35 0.1 0.4
    Tomato stalk 0.35 0.1 0.5
    Wheat, bran 2.65 2.9 1.6
    Wheat grain 2 0.85 0.5
    Wheat straw 0.5 0.15 0.6
    White clover (green) 0.5 0.2 0.3
    White sage (ash) - - 13.77
    Wood ash (leached) - 1.25 2
    Wood ash (unleached) - 1.5 7
    Wool waste 5.5 3 2
    Manures


    source ------------N P K ----------------------comments
    Rabbit manure- 2.4 1.4 0.6 Most concentrated of animal manures in fresh form.
    Cow manure (dairy)- 0.6 0.2 0.5 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot omposted.
    Steer manure- 0.7 0.3 0.4 Often contains weed seeds, should be hot composted if fresh.
    Chicken manure- 1.1 0.8 0.5 Fast acting, breaks down quickest of all manures.
    Use carefully, may burn. Also, stinks like hell - composting definitely recommended.
    Horse manure- 0.7 0.3 0.6 Medium breakdown time.
    Duck manure- 0.6 1.4 0.5 .
    Sheep manure- 0.7 0.3 0.9 .
    Worm castings- 0.5 0.5 0.3 50% organic material plus 11 trace minerals. Great for seedlings, will not burn.
    Is a form of compost, so doesn't need composting.
    Desert Bat Guano- 8 4 1 Also contains trace elements. Fast-acting, mix in soil or as tea (1 C guano to 5 gal. water).
    Cave Bat Guano- 3 10 1 .
    Fossilized Seabird Guano- 1 10 1 Slow release over 3 to 12 weeks, best used as an addition to potting mix.
    Peruvian Seabird Guano- (pelletized) 12 12 2.5 Legendary fertilizer of the Incas. Use in soil as a long lasting fertilizer, or make into tea (1 tsp pellets to 1 gallon water).
     
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    Dirka

    Dirka Active Member

    You just saved me about a week of good research just in one post!
     
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    BudmanTX

    BudmanTX Well-Known Member

    your welcome, the person who actually did the research in it is on another forum for just organic gardening. So i decided to save it to my notes and use in my organic gardening and for my cannabis soils. It has always helped me, so i figure i would post it here for everyone else to use. It worked for me, hope it helps u. Thought about starting just another thread with this somewhere too to help others.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    It looks like you need more aeration and why the sand? Are you adding amendments on top of these?
     
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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    I was trying to talk my partner into that.. But he'd rather not risk it and buy fresh stuff. Filling 50 100 gallon pots ain't gonna be cheap!
    Even if we do buy fresh soil I'm still adding predators!!
     
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    petert

    petert Well-Known Member

    It's premixed from a local recycler. It's called 5 way potting soil. Allwood Recyclers. For $30 a yard I thought it was reasonable.
     
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