Some seedlings not growing true leaves, stalled at cotyledons

hotrodharley · Oct 7, 2021

dabus171 said:
First time I tried was Seed Junkies LA Kush Cake and when I looked into it there were many people having issues with it. This time I got it from Skunkhouse Genetics. The seedbank is friende with the person and says they do "rigorous testing" and havent had any issues. There is no problem with the environment. I have plenty of fans, I have an online fan continuously recycling the air. Only hermies I have ever had are from those 2 kinds. I keep hearing that stress can cause it. All I did was top them. If that is all the stress it needs to hermie then I guess I will just stick with regs like.i normally do.

I top 3 times starting so early it shocks folks. 3 times in a row and I start supercropping well before topping is done. I’ve had a handful of hermies over the years. Nearly all from feminized. However it most likely had more to do with “breeders” getting seed and widely distributing them before they’re run and checked for stability. I wouldn’t hesitate to run feminized from a reputable breeder.

When I say a handful I mean it. For unstable see “Seedsman Diet Durban.”

dabus171 · Oct 7, 2021

That's what I figured. I know for a fact many people have had issues with the Seed Junkies Fems, but I have heard nothing of Skunkhouse having issues. I am running the second half of the pack right now. Any advice to improve the environment I would be willing to hear out. They look healthy and happy so far.

dabus171 · Oct 7, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i grow ONLY fem seeds and never have a problem with hermies...i would suggest you examine the conditions in your growing area...there is some kind of stress causing that to happen, or else you're buying from the worst breeder ever.
i usually go through the Vault, Canuck seeds, Seedsman, or Pev...no problems from any of them, and pev has one of the nicest phenos of GG4 i've ever seen

If I were to get GG4 seeds from PEV wouldnt every bean be a completely different pheno than the one you saw though? It's really luck of the draw right?

Roger A. Shrubber · Oct 7, 2021

dabus171 said:
If I were to get GG4 seeds from PEV wouldnt every bean be a completely different pheno than the one you saw though? It's really luck of the draw right?

probably, but it depends on how many they produced at one time...that was 6 months ago, so almost certainly, but i was very impressed with what i got, and will do business with them again on the strength of that

VincenzioVonHook · Oct 7, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
I think I would get some CFLs or t5s about 6 inches from those plants. I don't like using a very strong light to start plants, its very easy to either burn them or make them stretch, if you move it far enough away to not burn them.

I have no probs with every seedling I've ever grown straight under 240w quantum boards in a 2x4, or 120w quantum boards in a 2x2 at 24". Never burnt, stunted or stretched a seedling. Never dimmed a light ever.

Just for shits and giggles, to prove this point, I have a seedling in a 1.6x1.6x3.3ft tent. It has a 120w quantum board (3000k/4000k) at full pelt 16" away for 780umol and a DLI of 66.53. At day five in this pic.

All 5 of the autos I have grown indoors have pulled a minimum of 5 ounces and an average of 7 per plant, and were never put under a dimmed light. Always full pelt.

I think they need more light tbh. The led you have would be a 100w led, and at 36" would be putting out crumbs of photosynthetic photons. I have a 600w viparspectra from an old setup, and its actually 120w, and at 24" only outs out 330umol, at 36" it would be putting out nothing worth growing under. Literally. Even the 1200w viparspectra I have here is only 240w and at 18" puts out 600 umol 36" would be around 300umol.

dabus171 · Oct 8, 2021

Roger A. Shrubber said:
probably, but it depends on how many they produced at one time...that was 6 months ago, so almost certainly, but i was very impressed with what i got, and will do business with them again on the strength of that

Cant argue that. But yeah every different bean has different genetics. I have had some killer GG and some garbage. Also depends on the grower of course.

dabus171 · Oct 8, 2021

hotrodharley said:
I top 3 times starting so early it shocks folks. 3 times in a row and I start supercropping well before topping is done. I’ve had a handful of hermies over the years. Nearly all from feminized. However it most likely had more to do with “breeders” getting seed and widely distributing them before they’re run and checked for stability. I wouldn’t hesitate to run feminized from a reputable breeder.

When I say a handful I mean it. For unstable see “Seedsman Diet Durban.”

Yeah California seedbank claims they do "rigorous testing", although I am having the same issues as I did when I went with the Seed Junkies bean. A bunch of people had hermies with their genetics. I also found out the people at the seedbank are related to the breeder so of course they are defending him. I truly doubt they tested for stability. They are constantly pushing new kinds. There is no way they are doing rigorous testing on all of them. I was almost 100% certain they did not hermie due to me topping then. I just wanted to be fully transparent with what I did do.

VincenzioVonHook · Oct 8, 2021

And here I go replying to another thread where the plants are long past gone. I seem to be engaging in a lot of necros lately

dabus171 · Oct 8, 2021

VincenzioVonHook said:
And here I go replying to another thread where the plants are long past gone. I seem to be engaging in a lot of necros lately

Here are some alive ones for you bud.

VincenzioVonHook · Oct 8, 2021

dabus171 said:
Here are some alive ones for you bud.

It's always amazing seeing the difference in colour between different phenos of the same strain. Some seriously impressive purple on those cherries. I had two GDPs a few months back, one went a nice purple, and one had zero purple.

The vast difference in smoke was also an eye opened as to how everything is different...both seeds were from the same plant.

hotrodharley · Oct 8, 2021

VincenzioVonHook said:
It's always amazing seeing the difference in colour between different phenos of the same strain. Some seriously impressive purple on those cherries. I had two GDPs a few months back, one went a nice purple, and one had zero purple.
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The vast difference in smoke was also an eye opened as to how everything is different...both seeds were from the same plant.

A growing neighbor ran some Tropicana Cookies. Greener than Ireland and not a hint of purple. Every description of the strain dotes on the beautiful purple and usually show purple nugs. Tasted fine and got you high.

medicaloutlaw · Oct 8, 2021

I just had a freak of a seedling come up to. Poor little thing had enormous cotyledons almost a inch long. Its first leaves were wrinkled and twisted 180 degrees. The next set of leaves came up straight but shaped unusual and the third set instead of two branching off there is a mass of 6/7 branching off the third node. I just keep watching to see what it does next. These were 6 different Anesia strains from chosen seeds. 4 of the strains germinated 100% and look great! 2 strains were (Capt Future) 0/5 and (Bola Mintz) 1/4. (problems with only 2 strains) All the seeds were germinated the exact same way in the same seed starter tray at the same time. I sent a message to Chosen describing my experience and asking if they had any reports of the same and even asked for advice as I had a couple seeds from this order left to try and get to germ. They wouldnt confirm any reports of others having the same experience, told me they couldnt discuss germination, didnt offer any type of reimbursement and told me quite arrogantly that they werent Americans and in the UK they play by the rules. Now they wont return any emails. So I wont be discussing any future orders with chosen seeds. I've found two great seedbanks here in the US this past week and placed three orders from them. Just goes to show that the genetics werent as good as the breeder (Anesia) claimed they were. And service wasnt as good from Chosen as I thought it was. We live we learn. But from here on out I'll take my chance with US seedbanks/breeders. And for my little Yuhbary gal that digs Chubby Checker I'll keep watching for her next trick.

Roger A. Shrubber · Oct 8, 2021

medicaloutlaw said:
I just had a freak of a seedling come up to. Poor little thing had enormous cotyledons almost a inch long. Its first leaves were wrinkled and twisted 180 degrees. The next set of leaves came up straight but shaped unusual and the third set instead of two branching off there is a mass of 6/7 branching off the third node. I just keep watching to see what it does next. These were 6 different Anesia strains from chosen seeds. 4 of the strains germinated 100% and look great! 2 strains were (Capt Future) 0/5 and (Bola Mintz) 1/4. (problems with only 2 strains) All the seeds were germinated the exact same way in the same seed starter tray at the same time. I sent a message to Chosen describing my experience and asking if they had any reports of the same and even asked for advice as I had a couple seeds from this order left to try and get to germ. They wouldnt confirm any reports of others having the same experience, told me they couldnt discuss germination, didnt offer any type of reimbursement and told me quite arrogantly that they werent Americans and in the UK they play by the rules. Now they wont return any emails. So I wont be discussing any future orders with chosen seeds. I've found two great seedbanks here in the US this past week and placed three orders from them. Just goes to show that the genetics werent as good as the breeder (Anesia) claimed they were. And service wasnt as good from Chosen as I thought it was. We live we learn. But from here on out I'll take my chance with US seedbanks/breeders. And for my little Yuhbary gal that digs Chubby Checker I'll keep watching for her next trick.
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three things spring to mind when i look at that...if it was older, i might think root mites....if it was a clone, i might think reveg...since it's a seedling, i'm thinking that might turn into mosaic virus....but i could be wrong, that might be from the seed having colloidal silver on it from the breeders feminization process....interested to see how that one turns out

dabus171 · Oct 8, 2021

VincenzioVonHook said:
It's always amazing seeing the difference in colour between different phenos of the same strain. Some seriously impressive purple on those cherries. I had two GDPs a few months back, one went a nice purple, and one had zero purple.
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The vast difference in smoke was also an eye opened as to how everything is different...both seeds were from the same plant.

Thanks. It really is fascinated. Yeah mine were all from bag seed. The best genetics I have grown have all been straight from the bag. It makes sense that they are different, the same way brothers and sisters have the same parents but come out with different variations of genes. Before I always thought when I would get a strain I enjoyed and then the next time was not as good I figured it was 100% the way and environment it was grown in. Now of course I know every pheno is differnt and they are not all winners. Nice to see so many people still growing old school strains.

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