Something all the RIU righties need to keep in mind about the individual mandate..

ViRedd

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jeffchr said:
are you kidding me? he works for fox! ok. no more talk with you numb one.
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Man, I don't get it jeff. The Judge is one of the most astute persons in the country on constitutional law, judgeship, individual liberty and the freedom issue, and you just discount the man because he appears on a particular news channel? Obama was on O'Reilly's program a couple of times. Does that cause you to discount Obama's ideas as well?

The inablility of the Left to see perspectives other than their own simply amazes me.
 
SouthernGanja

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Remember when the feds threatened to cut off highway dollars to the states if they didn't set the legal drinking age to 21? Why didn't they do that with healthcare reform??


(I'd like to see one political thread/debate based on facts instead of partisan politics!)
 
ViRedd

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SouthernGanja said:
Remember when the feds threatened to cut off highway dollars to the states if they didn't set the legal drinking age to 21? Why didn't they do that with healthcare reform??


(I'd like to see one political thread/debate based on facts instead of partisan politics!)
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^^^ That post brought something to mind. Back in the 70s, the federal government threatened to cut off highway funds to any state that didn't enforce the 55 mph federal limit on speed. In California, that rule was totally stupid. We have freeways that when clear, are safe at almost any speed. Well, I was headed to work one morning, shortly after the mandate was put into effect. Traffic was backed up for miles. There was a Highway Patrolman going EXACTLY 55 mph, with his hand out his window, signaling "five-five," "five-five," with his fingers. I was right behind him signaling him with my finger outside my window too ... the one finger salute. Damn, I was pissed off. Such bullshit!
 
jeffchr

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ViRedd said:
Man, I don't get it jeff. The Judge is one of the most astute persons in the country on constitutional law, judgeship, individual liberty and the freedom issue, and you just discount the man because he appears on a particular news channel? Obama was on O'Reilly's program a couple of times. Does that cause you to discount Obama's ideas as well?

The inablility of the Left to see perspectives other than their own simply amazes me.
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actually, he's on the fox payroll. i think even the good judge would have to admit that fact alone is prejudicial. i'm sure you understand my hesitancy to place faith in his comments.
 
Johnnyorganic

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jeffchr said:
great contribution johnny zero
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Deflection, thy username is jeffchr.

Thanks! I thought it was pretty good,too.

Good job on the many experts. :clap:

The Savage article cited two, count 'em, two, including Adam Winkler, who said:
The "court has already shown itself to be willing to break from long-standing precedent in major cases, and it won't likely be deterred by such case law in a challenge to healthcare reform," he said.
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Mr. Savage is keen on extrapolation of many from two.

To recap, one of the experts, Orin Kerr, thinks there is a "1 percent" chance of the SCOTUS overturning the law; while the other would not be surprised if it happened.

I suppose Mr. Savage also includes the Obama administration lawyers citing an unrelated case, but those experts are not exactly impartial, now are they?
 
jeffchr

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yea, it is one of many articles out there. i thought that this one had an interesting wrinkle with the california marijuana case citation. i mentioned that in my preamble. like i said, there are many expert opinions out there. i am not here to argue constitutional law. i'm not qualified. from what i've read and heard, imo, the cases filed will not repeal health care.

you are not qualified either. so what's your point? that there are more opinions out there that suggest the cases will be successful? not.

do you want to go find an expert that says what you want to hear and we'll argue about that? pretty boring.

these cases will fail. and you know it. so what is your point?
 
Johnnyorganic

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jeffchr said:
yea, it is one of many articles out there. i thought that this one had an interesting wrinkle with the california marijuana case citation. i mentioned that in my preamble. like i said, there are many expert opinions out there. i am not here to argue constitutional law. i'm not qualified. from what i've read and heard, imo, the cases filed will not repeal health care.

you are not qualified either. so what's your point? that there are more opinions out there that suggest the cases will be successful? not.

do you want to go find an expert that says what you want to hear and we'll argue about that? pretty boring.

these cases will fail. and you know it. so what is your point?
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So you are going to retreat into that rat hole?

The Global Warming Defense is not only pretty boring; it's cowardly to boot. I'm not a climate researcher, but I can sure as hell have an opinion in it. Just like this issue.

The truth is neither one of us knows for sure whether the state lawsuits will have merit because this is a unique case. It will take time, a long time, before the SCOTUS even considers hearing it.

You believe the lawsuits will fail.

I believe the cases have merit.

That's where we are.

With any luck at all it will be a moot point anyway. Both laws will be repealed as soon as the voters are done teabagging the Dummycraps.
 
Johnnyorganic

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dukeofbaja said:
Want to bet $10 on that, JO?
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No deal.

I can have an opinion without feeling compelled to put my money where my fingers are.

Take it to Vegas. They can use the revenue after the Chosen One excoriated people for going there.

It doesn't matter anyway. Until the Progressives are driven out of power, I can't even pay attention.

Seriously though, I'm not a gambler. I won't even buy a lottery ticket.

If fact, if you really wanted to guarantee that the bill would not be repealed, convince me to bet on it. That's how shitty I am at gambling.
 
medicineman

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I am not a fan of the individual mandate, I preferred the public option. Actually I prefer single payer with the caveat that individuals have the right to stay in their private expensive insurance plans if they want. Yeah, single payer would decimate the insurance companies that now care less if you get adequate care and in most cases try and find a way around paying for catastrophic illnesses. Insurance companies that are way more interested in their bottom line that your wellness. But I guess that is the conservative mantra. {Fuck the uninsured and all that want health care but can't afford it. Yeah, fuckin A, health care is a priveledge and you poor people go fuck yourselves. Maybe without health care for the poor, they'll die off and leave more for us}.
 
Johnnyorganic

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jeffchr said:
I wouldn't call it a rat hole. But basically, yes, I do not wish to discuss the merits of a constitutional issue with you JO. You, like me, have no clue what you are talking about.
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As a Progressive it is only natural that you know nothing of the Constitution.

So when you say you have no clue what you are talking about, I believe you.

But kindly do not speak for me on the subject. Because when it come comes to what I know; once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
 
medicineman

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Johnnyorganic said:
As a Progressive it is only natural that you know nothing of the Constitution.

So when you say you have no clue what you are talking about, I believe you.

But kindly do not speak for me on the subject. Because when it come comes to what I know; once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
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One thing I know about you, you think you know a lot about everything. Your head must be the size of a huge watermelon. I wonder if I thumped it if it would sound hollow, LOL. Well, maybe you have me on off. Wouldn't surprize me.
 
Johnnyorganic

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medicineman said:
One thing I know about you, you think you know a lot about everything. Your head must be the size of a huge watermelon. I wonder if I thumped it if it would sound hollow, LOL. Well, maybe you have me on off. Wouldn't surprize me.
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Why would I have your dumb ass on ignore?

You entertain me.

As a clown rightly should. :dunce:
 
jeffchr

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Johnnyorganic said:
As a Progressive it is only natural that you know nothing of the Constitution.

So when you say you have no clue what you are talking about, I believe you.

But kindly do not speak for me on the subject. Because when it come comes to what I know; once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
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Oh really? You don't look like a constitutional attorney or academic to me.

 
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