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RIKNSTEIN said:

wow 6oz was almost 23 bucks...how much do you think I'll need for 5 plants??? I'm gona be sorry I asked that..lol

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Figong said:

1/4oz maybe total (for 5 plants).. and I explained a ton of it in the mail you'd sent re: preventative maintenance, how/whys of the method to the madness, etc.. and if you want to get a new fun project to throw in the tent... grow cinnamon and make your own, and have fresh cinnamon for toast and other shit too

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Man I musta not heard the lady right...they wanted 21.95 for a 1/6 oz bottle...WTF...I was gona get it but they only had 1 bottle...I had to get the neem instead, and some natural dish soap as an emulsifier..still wana thank you for the info tho.. I read neem's all natural too and that it's made from an extract of a evergreen tree or some shit...have you ever used it, if so did it work well? cuz that's the bottom line, I just want it to work, thanx.

dopedeeii said:

I do apologize I have a big tendency to forget thts its not a hydro store on every. Corner LOL with my first mite problem I used garlic,vegetables oil,dish detergent

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And those work just as well, just a bit more of a smell to it is all lol - if it works and you need it now, by all means use it

Neem oil comes form pressed neem seeds Neem is a good prevention tool idk if it kills them but test ur mix on one small portion of a plant first if mixed to strong it'll burn

RIKNSTEIN said:

Man I musta not heard the lady right...they wanted 21.95 for a 1/6 oz bottle...WTF...I was gona get it but they only had 1 bottle...I had to get the neem instead, and some natural dish soap as an emulsifier..still wana thank you for the info tho.. I read neem's all natural too and that it's made from an extract of a evergreen tree or some shit...have you ever used it, if so did it work well? cuz that's the bottom line, I just want it to work, thanx.

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for that kind of money you can get a quart of the sm-90, which you mix 1 part sm-90 to 5 parts water, seems pretty economical to me.

DANKSWAG said:

for that kind of money you can get a quart of the sm-90, which you mix 1 part sm-90 to 5 parts water, seems pretty economical to me.

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ya I'm gona have to get something as a preventative for sure, thanx

RIKNSTEIN said:

Man I musta not heard the lady right...they wanted 21.95 for a 1/6 oz bottle...WTF...I was gona get it but they only had 1 bottle...I had to get the neem instead, and some natural dish soap as an emulsifier..still wana thank you for the info tho.. I read neem's all natural too and that it's made from an extract of a evergreen tree or some shit...have you ever used it, if so did it work well? cuz that's the bottom line, I just want it to work, thanx.

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Neem oil is solid as well, will drown them.. as will dishwashing detergent (mild, emphasis on mild, and diluted) with other things tossed in the mix. That cinnamon oil price is insane.. grow cinnamon too, and make your own for a time later on down the road.

UPDATE: Well after everything was said and done, I ended up having to order 4-1oz bottles of cinnamon oil ($135) cuz they only had a 1/6oz bottle for $21.95, WTF. So I got some neem oil and some eco friendly dish soap as an emulsifier ($30) and I looked w/my glass and saw what could have been mites but they were not moving. I sprayed them with the neem oil (la pew) and turned the lights and fan off, so we'll see tomorrow.


Only good news is that my male didn't get bugs...lol...not a fucking 1...BUT, on closer inspection of "him" (not looking for this..but), I found she shaved her legs and he was a she...w/pistils!!! So proud mama and 4 lil ones sit alone in there totally sterilized closet under a watchful eye...and lots of light..

Neem Oil
Neem oil does work, but the way it works is different from other insecticides. Neem is not an instant, knock down,kill everything pesticide. Neem oil affects insects in many different,ingenious and subtle ways.
How neem oil messes with the insects’ brains and bodies
Neem oil has many complex active ingredients. Rather than being simple poisons, those ingredients are similar to the hormones that insects produce. Insects take up the neem oil ingredients just like natural hormones.
Neem enters the system and blocks thereal hormones from working properly. Insects “forget” to eat, to mate, or they stop laying eggs. Some forget that they can fly. If eggs are produced they don’t hatch, or the larvae don’t moult.
Obviously insects that are too confused to eat or breed will not survive. The population eventually plummets, and they disappear. The cycle is broken.
How precisely it works is difficult for scientists to find out. There are too many different active substances in neem oil, and every insect species reacts differently to neem insecticide. Neem oil does not hurt beneficial insects. Only chewing and sucking insects are affected. It is certainly fascinating.
Like real hormones, neem oil insecticide works at very low concentrations, in the parts per million range. A little neem oil goes a long way.
But this is not something that happens over night. People use neem oil as an insecticide, and expect everything to die instantly, because that’s what they are used to from chemical poisons. When that does not happen they conclude neem insecticide does not work.
How neem oil deters chewing and sucking insects
There is a nice story that demonstrates how grasshoppers react to neem oil insecticide. It goes something like this: Someone did an experiment. It involved two jars, two leaves, and two grasshoppers. One leaf was sprayed with a chemical insecticide, and one with neem oil. The two grasshoppers were put in the two jars, with one leaf each.
The first grasshopper ate the leaf and died almost instantly. The grasshopper with the neem oil covered leaf did not touch the leaf and lived. At least for a few days. Eventually it starved to death.
Neem stops insects from eating the plants.
Part of this action is due to to the hormone like action of neem oil that I explained above. Insects “forget” to eat after they’ve been in contact with even traces of neem oil.
But it is also the presence, the mere hint of a smell of neem oil, that seems to be enough to keep leaf eating insects away. Neem oil can be very powerful as an anti-feedant and insect repellent.
This anti-feedant property is one of the most often advertised and lauded properties of neem oil insecticide. However, the hormonal effects I described above are even stronger.
Neem oil as an insect deterrent works well against grasshoppers and leafhoppers, but all other insect pests are controlled mostly through the hormone action.
The subtlety of the hormonal effects, and the fact that they may take days or weeks to manifest, makes people overlook them. Ill informed gardeners seek instant gratification, i.e. lots of dead insects immediately, rather than a balanced environment in the long run.
It’s a shame, because the hormonal effect is where the real power of neem oil lies. It’s the key to neem oil being an effective insecticide and good for the environment at the same time. It’s also important to understand this effect to use neem oil insecticide correctly.
Neem oil works from inside the plant
Many insecticides break down quickly.They wash away with rain, or when irrigating, or the sunlight destroys them.You either have to spray all the time, or you have to spray something that’s so stable that it stays around forever. That means the chemical builds up everywhere and eventually poisons everything, including you.
Neem oil breaks down very quickly, too. It is especially susceptible to UV light. But neem oil is also a systemic insecticide. That means you can pour it on the soil (not pure neem oil of course, you use a dilution or extract) and the plants absorb it. They take it up into their tissue, and it works from the inside. A leaf hopper may take acouple of bites, but that’s it.
However, this does not work for all insect species. The neem ingredients accumulate in the tissues deeper inside the plant. The phloem, the outer most layer, contains hardly any. A tiny aphid feeds from the phloem, it can not penetrate deep enough to get a dose of neem. But any leaf hoppers, grass hoppers or similar chomping insects will be incapacitated quickly.
People eat neem leaves to cleanse the blood, stimulate the liver, and boost the immune system. So we certainly don’t need to worry about a bit of neem inside our lettuce leaves. To me this is a much more attractive option than having poisonous foulicides build up in mygarden.
Neem oil suffocates insects
Many gardeners use white oil (plain mineral oil) or even olive oil to combat soft bodied insects like aphids,thrips or whitefly. The oil coats the bugs and they suffocate. Neem oil insecticide does that as well. But it’s more like a little bonus on top of everything else it does.
It can be a hazard, though. Of course there is no difference between suffocating good or bad bugs. Oil suffocates anything. So this aspect can harm beneficial insects!
Neem oil and beneficial insects
Neem is non toxic for beneficial insects. The main reason is that insects need to ingest the neem oil to be affected, and beneficial insects don’t eat your plants. But you can still kill beneficial insects if you smother them with neem oil, so please be careful.
Beneficial insects are most active during the day. The best time to spray neem insecticide is very early in the morning, so the spray can dry before the good insects become active. Also a good time is the late afternoon or evening. Once the spray has dried it does not harm your bees, ladybugs, lacewings, predatory mites and wasps etc.

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