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CriticalCheeze

CriticalCheeze

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backtracker said:
Been at this for a really long time tried it all and that's bullshit, the reason they store nutrients is survival, their only purpose in nature is to make seeds and when they run out of food they use what they have stored and that is why you starve "flush" them so you don't smoke fertilizer. You can't change that it's the way nature works but hey if you like smoking nitrogen and chlorophyll knock yer self out.
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you got nothing. go read your book
 
backtracker

backtracker

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since1991 said:
When your smoking marijuana you are not smoking the fertilizer it took to grow it. Period. Bottom line. ..end of story. It doesnt work like that.
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Yes it does read a fucking book. You are smoking nitrites enjoy.
"Plants absorb nitrogen from the soil in the form of nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). In aerobic soils where nitrification can occur, nitrate is usually the predominant form of available nitrogen that is absorbed" " Ammonium ions are absorbed by the plant via ammonia transporters. Nitrate is taken up by several nitrate transporters that use a proton gradient to power the transport.[6][7] Nitrogen is transported from the root to the shoot via the xylem in the form of nitrate, dissolved ammonia and amino acids. Usually[8] (but not always[9]) most of the nitrate reduction is carried out in the shoots while the roots reduce only a small fraction of the absorbed nitrate to ammonia. Ammonia (both absorbed and synthesized) is incorporated into amino acids via the glutamine synthetase-glutamate synthase (GS-GOGAT) pathway.[10] While nearly all[11] the ammonia in the root is usually incorporated into amino acids at the root itself, plants may transport significant amounts of ammonium ions in the xylem to be fixed in the shoots"
 
backtracker

backtracker

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Dr. Who said:
"Flushing" doesn't work! @backtracker

Let me post this again here.

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)
There you go, Now have at it!


You were saying?
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"Plants absorb nitrogen from the soil in the form of nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). In aerobic soils where nitrification can occur, nitrate is usually the predominant form of available nitrogen that is absorbed" " Ammonium ions are absorbed by the plant via ammonia transporters. Nitrate is taken up by several nitrate transporters that use a proton gradient to power the transport.[6][7] Nitrogen is transported from the root to the shoot via the xylem in the form of nitrate, dissolved ammonia and amino acids. Usually[8] (but not always[9]) most of the nitrate reduction is carried out in the shoots while the roots reduce only a small fraction of the absorbed nitrate to ammonia. Ammonia (both absorbed and synthesized) is incorporated into amino acids via the glutamine synthetase-glutamate synthase (GS-GOGAT) pathway.[10] While nearly all[11] the ammonia in the root is usually incorporated into amino acids at the root itself, plants may transport significant amounts of ammonium ions in the xylem to be fixed in the shoots"
 
backtracker

backtracker

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Dr. Who said:
Met him, dinned with him, drank with him and smoked with him. Nice guy but, full of old school myth!
Just because you write a book, doesn't make you the person with all the correct answers! It makes you an author!

He's WRONG on other things too!

Your kneeling down and kissing the ass of the unworthy !!! He's NOT a grow god! Neither is Greg green, The "REV", Sub "Cool", Danny "Danko", ANY fucking U-TUBE tool posting video, even good ole Ed Rosenthal makes a few statements that are incorrect...

YOU have to sort out the wheat from the chaff !

Now then. Everything I stated in my post about the science on the flush and fade is REAL science! Not some musings from a half "baked" hippie from the 60's and 70's, filled with the myths and legends from the past....

Open your mind and "see" the truth!
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no one is right on everything except you, I got it.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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backtracker said:
"Plants absorb nitrogen from the soil in the form of nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). In aerobic soils where nitrification can occur, nitrate is usually the predominant form of available nitrogen that is absorbed" " Ammonium ions are absorbed by the plant via ammonia transporters. Nitrate is taken up by several nitrate transporters that use a proton gradient to power the transport.[6][7] Nitrogen is transported from the root to the shoot via the xylem in the form of nitrate, dissolved ammonia and amino acids. Usually[8] (but not always[9]) most of the nitrate reduction is carried out in the shoots while the roots reduce only a small fraction of the absorbed nitrate to ammonia. Ammonia (both absorbed and synthesized) is incorporated into amino acids via the glutamine synthetase-glutamate synthase (GS-GOGAT) pathway.[10] While nearly all[11] the ammonia in the root is usually incorporated into amino acids at the root itself, plants may transport significant amounts of ammonium ions in the xylem to be fixed in the shoots"
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And the point of this is?
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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backtracker said:
no one is right on everything except you, I got it.
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Mmm, sarcasm makes you right.....

"Flushing" does not "flush" anything from a plant.
The "fade" doesn't work the way intended.
Science Fact.

"Flushing" = Old school hippie myth.
"Fade" or "Modern logic solution to flushing" = Doesn't "really" work either.

Writers/publishers, who cling to idea's that are outdated and proven to "not work" = Sad....Things change with the tick of every second. Those who are not willing to accept change......

Can simply "Do what makes them happy".

I get tired of them attempting to say the change is "wrong" and infecting those who seek the truth, with misinformation and outdated belief!
 
backtracker

backtracker

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Dr. Who said:
And the point of this is?
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You said " They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.) If you had paid attention in all my reply's flushing is in " " that means I have a problem with the meaning. Plants do store nutrients so you are wrong and when a plant is deprived of nutrients it will use those stores that is what "flushing" is.

"Plants absorb nitrogen from the soil in the form of nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). In aerobic soils where nitrification can occur, nitrate is usually the predominant form of available nitrogen that is absorbed" " Ammonium ions are absorbed by the plant via ammonia transporters. Nitrate is taken up by several nitrate transporters that use a proton gradient to power the transport.[6][7] Nitrogen is transported from the root to the shoot via the xylem in the form of nitrate, dissolved ammonia and amino acids. Usually[8] (but not always[9]) most of the nitrate reduction is carried out in the shoots while the roots reduce only a small fraction of the absorbed nitrate to ammonia. Ammonia (both absorbed and synthesized) is incorporated into amino acids via the glutamine synthetase-glutamate synthase (GS-GOGAT) pathway.[10] While nearly all[11] the ammonia in the root is usually incorporated into amino acids at the root itself, plants may transport significant amounts of ammonium ions in the xylem to be fixed in the shoots"
 
backtracker

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Tim Fox said:
Cracks me up how some people think the nutes are going to flow backwards And back out the roots
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If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that when a plant no longer needs a leaf it reabsorbs everything in it to use somewhere else then the leaf turns yellow and falls off. When a plant is deprived/flushed or what ever the fuck you want to call it the plant does that everywhere except the flowers because it is trying to make seeds.
since1991 said:
When your smoking marijuana you are not smoking the fertilizer it took to grow it. Period. Bottom line. ..end of story. It doesnt work like that.
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The fertilizer is converted to a form the plant can use in the soil then and is taken up by the roots into the plant where it is used to build the plant if you smoke that plant while those nutrients are in the plant you are smoking the fertilizer you fed it only in a different form like nitrites.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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backtracker said:
You said " They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.) If you had paid attention in all my reply's flushing is in " " that means I have a problem with the meaning. Plants do store nutrients so you are wrong and when a plant is deprived of nutrients it will use those stores that is what "flushing" is.

That's right AND you still don't understand!

"Plants absorb nitrogen from the soil in the form of nitrate (NO3−) and ammonium (NH4+). In aerobic soils where nitrification can occur, nitrate is usually the predominant form of available nitrogen that is absorbed" " Ammonium ions are absorbed by the plant via ammonia transporters. Nitrate is taken up by several nitrate transporters that use a proton gradient to power the transport.[6][7] Nitrogen is transported from the root to the shoot via the xylem in the form of nitrate, dissolved ammonia and amino acids. Usually[8] (but not always[9]) most of the nitrate reduction is carried out in the shoots while the roots reduce only a small fraction of the absorbed nitrate to ammonia. Ammonia (both absorbed and synthesized) is incorporated into amino acids via the glutamine synthetase-glutamate synthase (GS-GOGAT) pathway.[10] While nearly all[11] the ammonia in the root is usually incorporated into amino acids at the root itself, plants may transport significant amounts of ammonium ions in the xylem to be fixed in the shoots"
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Like it said before,,,,,What are you trying to get at here? That the plant uptakes and creates nitrite based nutrients (including how ammonia [both uptaken and made by the plant forms] are incorporated for use), that it then transports around the plant for use.......yeah so? Whats your point? It makes NO difference what you think you understand here. The point we're making is, YOU can not "FLUSH" that from the plant (nore all the other ones you left out)! All you did was cut and paste an out of context section of some paper you found on the net in a feeble attempt to say you understand how plants uptake nutrition.

BTW, you left out lots of other nutrients - care to cut and paste the rest of the paper? Or was it only on Nitrate use by plants?





 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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backtracker said:
If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that when a plant no longer needs a leaf it reabsorbs everything in it to use somewhere else then the leaf turns yellow and falls off. When a plant is deprived/flushed or what ever the fuck you want to call it the plant does that everywhere except the flowers because it is trying to make seeds.

The fertilizer is converted to a form the plant can use in the soil then and is taken up by the roots into the plant where it is used to build the plant if you smoke that plant while those nutrients are in the plant you are smoking the fertilizer you fed it only in a different form like nitrites.
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NOT in the way YOU understand! (Your not understanding that "form", among other things)..
 
RM3

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Dr. Who said:
Like it said before,,,,,What are you trying to get at here? That the plant uptakes and creates nitrite based nutrients (including how ammonia [both uptaken and made by the plant forms] are incorporated for use), that it then transports around the plant for use.......yeah so? Whats your point? It makes NO difference what you think you understand here. The point we're making is, YOU can not "FLUSH" that from the plant (nore all the other ones you left out)! All you did was cut and paste an out of context section of some paper you found on the net in a feeble attempt to say you understand how plants uptake nutrition.

BTW, you left out lots of other nutrients - care to cut and paste the rest of the paper? Or was it only on Nitrate use by plants?
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He could take the crash course

 
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