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Gond00s said:

just aint worth using ff imo

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Yeah I'm done with FF Nutes after this grow. I'm becoming serious about home growing and have been learning a lot. This is my third grow but I haven't grown in 6 years and a lot has changed. This is also my first LED grow.

I'll admit I didn't know too much to what the nutes actually did. I would just follow instructions and get ok results. But now I'm doing all this research and I wanna go organic and get the best grows. I want it to be easy so I'll definitely make a super soil and go from there.

But this grow I'll just take it day by day and feed molasses and big bloom. The top dressing of Ocean forest I just added may hold me over for a few weeks with nutes

PadawanWarrior said:

EWC tea is great to add microbes. But if your soil is full of salt buildup, they might not be too happy.

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I have to check my runoff to know if I really have any buildup. I may not. But I'll water in a day or two and check

Armyofsprout said:

I have to check my runoff to know if I really have any buildup. I may not. But I'll water in a day or two and check

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If it was me, I probably wouldn't worry about it too much, and just start using only organic nutes from now on. The microlife should improve over time. I've been using the same FFOF for almost a year, and it's actually been getting better. I just started to turn some into super soil for No-till, and just looking at the soil, I can already tell my next batch of plants are gonna be happy. I don't ever adjust ph though, I let the soil do it for me.

Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them..it is not due to a deficiency. Alot of misleading info in this thread. For one...synthetic nutes do not kill microbes! Secondly, whether you feed organic or not..the plant cannot tell the difference and nor can any lab in the world! Synthetic nutes act the same way as organic ones, and the plant does not care at all where a specific ion comes from! Organic is simply for peace of mind to the grower..the plant is exactly the same!
As for things changing the last 6 years since you last grew? Nothing has changed! Plants have had the same needs for growth for eons!

Armyofsprout said:

Big bloom is the only fully organic nute out the trip. He's right about that. Now I don't know much about microbes but I did read that the other nutes do kill the microbes over time because they're synthetic salts and you'll have to replenish them by top dressing more potting mix or just the microbes alone.

Right now I'm using molasses to try and feed what microbes are there now in the soil.

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yes excessive salts will kill your microbes

Bernie420 said:

yes excessive salts will kill your microbes

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That's true..excess big bloom will kill your plants as well...doesn't matter whether the salt is organic or synthetic..excess will hurt/kill plants!

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Blitz35 said:

Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them..it is not due to a deficiency. Alot of misleading info in this thread. For one...synthetic nutes do not kill microbes! Secondly, whether you feed organic or not..the plant cannot tell the difference and nor can any lab in the world! Synthetic nutes act the same way as organic ones, and the plant does not care at all where a specific ion comes from! Organic is simply for peace of mind to the grower..the plant is exactly the same!
As for things changing the last 6 years since you last grew? Nothing has changed! Plants have had the same needs for growth for eons!

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Blitz35 said:

Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them..it is not due to a deficiency. Alot of misleading info in this thread. For one...synthetic nutes do not kill microbes! Secondly, whether you feed organic or not..the plant cannot tell the difference and nor can any lab in the world! Synthetic nutes act the same way as organic ones, and the plant does not care at all where a specific ion comes from! Organic is simply for peace of mind to the grower..the plant is exactly the same!
As for things changing the last 6 years since you last grew? Nothing has changed! Plants have had the same needs for growth for eons!

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figured it out...my PH meter was off by 0.3 and I couldn't calibrate it because I didn't have the proper solution for the cheapo yellow PH Meter. 0.3 is a huge amount to be off. That could take 6.5 to 6.2 or 6.2 to 5.9. So yeah pretty sure like I was saying it's nutrient lockout. Will be watering today plain water with proper PH.

Armyofsprout said:

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figured it out...my PH meter was off by 0.3 and I couldn't calibrate it because I didn't have the proper solution for the cheapo yellow PH Meter. 0.3 is a huge amount to be off. That could take 6.5 to 6.2 or 6.2 to 5.9. So yeah pretty sure like I was saying it's nutrient lockout. Will be watering today plain water with proper PH.

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horse shit
you didnt figure out and that doesn't fix anything

You know microbes regulate the ph of the plant right at the root surface. and with the microbes working for you, you dont need to do squat about ph most of the time just to get it close to 6.5 and you are golden.

Blitz35 said:

Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them..it is not due to a deficiency. Alot of misleading info in this thread. For one...synthetic nutes do not kill microbes! Secondly, whether you feed organic or not..the plant cannot tell the difference and nor can any lab in the world! Synthetic nutes act the same way as organic ones, and the plant does not care at all where a specific ion comes from! Organic is simply for peace of mind to the grower..the plant is exactly the same!
As for things changing the last 6 years since you last grew? Nothing has changed! Plants have had the same needs for growth for eons!

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Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them. wtf

Bernie420 said:

horse shit
you didnt figure out and that doesn't fix anything

You know microbes regulate the ph of the plant right at the root surface. and with the microbes working for you, you dont need to do squat about ph most of the time just to get it close to 6.5 and you are golden.

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So if I measure my runoff and it's fucked up then what....

Armyofsprout said:

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figured it out...my PH meter was off by 0.3 and I couldn't calibrate it because I didn't have the proper solution for the cheapo yellow PH Meter. 0.3 is a huge amount to be off. That could take 6.5 to 6.2 or 6.2 to 5.9. So yeah pretty sure like I was saying it's nutrient lockout. Will be watering today plain water with proper PH.

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I hope you fix what you see wrong! You gain experience through grows and experimenting. I'll lead you on a correct path to start. A 0.3 margin of error in soil, and especially organic, will not make a difference. Soil has buffering capabilities, being off by that small of an amount at this stage of the plant's life, will not cause issues. Unless you gave water at 7, and it may have really been 7.3..or gave water at like 5.8 and it was really 5.5..then you can run into an issue when the plants are feeding heavier. You stayed between 6.3-6.8, so i would really doubt a 0.3 shift caused an issue.
Im really not sure what issue you see, but i wish you luck in finding relief! A phosphorus deficiency doesn't look like that, it doesn't develop spots. It can be calcium, but then it was a while ago as it's in the middle of the plant and not on new growth, and in that case, other leaves at that level should show the spots, not just 1 or 2 leaves. Plant looks nice, hope you get a nice harvest!

Blitz35 said:

I hope you fix what you see wrong! You gain experience through grows and experimenting. I'll lead you on a correct path to start. A 0.3 margin of error in soil, and especially organic, will not make a difference. Soil has buffering capabilities, being off by that small of an amount at this stage of the plant's life, will not cause issues. Unless you gave water at 7, and it may have really been 7.3..or gave water at like 5.8 and it was really 5.5..then you can run into an issue when the plants are feeding heavier. You stayed between 6.3-6.8, so i would really doubt a 0.3 shift caused an issue.
Im really not sure what issue you see, but i wish you luck in finding relief! A phosphorus deficiency doesn't look like that, it doesn't develop spots. It can be calcium, but then it was a while ago as it's in the middle of the plant and not on new growth, and in that case, other leaves at that level should show the spots, not just 1 or 2 leaves. Plant looks nice, hope you get a nice harvest!

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Ill measure my runoff in 10 minutes

Armyofsprout said:

Ill measure my runoff in 10 minutes

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You're wasting your time checking runoff..you're using organic, or somewhat of an organic fertilizer and ffof is not inert either..it has amendments that will not show up on a ppm meter.

Bernie420 said:

Those spots are likely from handling the plant or possibly getting some water on them. wtf

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Something you don't understand? lol yes, handling the plant..it can get dinged up over time and have some odd yellow spots, or yes, when water gets on them under the light, they get burnt and get spots. This is old news!

Blitz35 said:

That's true..excess big bloom will kill your plants as well...doesn't matter whether the salt is organic or synthetic..excess will hurt/kill plants!

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Organic nutrients do not have the salts that synthetics have, therefore there aren't those salts in Big Bloom. It's just a guano base I think, but I don't use it so can't tell you for sure. Everyone has their own way, and do whatever works best for ya. I have stopped using chemical nutes, and my soil life seems happier.

PadawanWarrior said:

Organic nutrients do not have the salts that synthetics have, therefore there aren't those salts in Big Bloom. It's just a guano base I think, but I don't use it so can't tell you for sure. Everyone has their own way, and do whatever works best for ya. I have stopped using chemical nutes, and my soil life seems happier.

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No it's not the same salts, in organics nutrients are stored in more complex molecules, but it can still be too much. There are super soils that are just too hot for certain plants or at certain stages. Too much of anything is usually bad

Blitz35 said:

No it's not the same salts, in organics nutrients are stored in more complex molecules, but it can still be too much. There are super soils that are just too hot for certain plants or at certain stages. Too much of anything is usually bad

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Check out "Teaming with Microbes". Excellent information. And yes you can make your Super Soil too hot for the plants, but your microbes won't be dying like they would with the chemicals. Instead, they would be feeding on the organic nutes and continuing to break them down, just making your soil better with time instead of worse with salt buildup. I am just trying to keep my beneficial mites, nematodes, and all that other shit happy. Along with my soil, that I don't want to have to buy again.

Armyofsprout said:

So if I measure my runoff and it's fucked up then what....

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The trick is not to measure your run off. Its dumb if you know how to grow it doesnt have any meaning to the grower.

Where in nature is their somebody measuring runoff

Blitz35 said:

Something you don't understand? lol yes, handling the plant..it can get dinged up over time and have some odd yellow spots, or yes, when water gets on them under the light, they get burnt and get spots. This is old news!

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riiiight in a perfect world that might happen.

Did you look at the pic the op posted ? so the lower leaves of the plant had the water spots on them and the light caused it to form spots. ? is that what you are wanting the op to think or are you here trying to help people grow weed?

Absolutely ridiculous that these spots are caused by handling them or water and a light. AND YOU KNOW THAT.

PadawanWarrior said:

Check out "Teaming with Microbes". Excellent information. And yes you can make your Super Soil too hot for the plants, but your microbes won't be dying like they would with the chemicals. Instead, they would be feeding on the organic nutes and continuing to break them down, just making your soil better with time instead of worse with salt buildup. I am just trying to keep my beneficial mites, nematodes, and all that other shit happy. Along with my soil, that I don't want to have to buy again.

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I don't need a lesson in plant biology, but thank you. For your information, and i won't repeat it, do your research, synthetic microbes DO NOT KILL SOIL BACTERIA!!! It's a myth that most of you follow blindly! Yes, excess will kill them, but it would also kill the plant. Fact is, bacteria in the soil will eat the synthetic nutes like the plant does, they count on it...especially nitrate forms of nitrogen! This false info that keeps getting spread is very misleading to people who don't know better. I say you should read up more and get educated on the topic instead of spreading misleading info! As for keeping the microbes happy...what do you think the plants do? Plants feed the microbes with the sugars they produce...it's a symbiotic relationship, they take care of each other! I've been reusing the same soil with synthetic nutes for 3 years now..my plants grow perfectly fine in them and i have no issues at all! I barely even check ph when i water now. Organic doesn't change how the plants grow, and the plant doesn't care if it's organic or not, it's for the fact that once dialed in, it lessens the chance that the grower will make a mistake, and thus the plants grow better. They're only growing better because the #1 enemy of plants is the grower, and the less they have to do, the better the plant will grow, however if the grower knows what they're doing, then the plant will grow the same way with synthetic nutes!