SST (sprouted seed tea) do's and donts?

MjMama

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From the research Ive done, the seeds begin releasing enzymes after about 11 hours of soak time. I like to do 8-10 hours of soak, dump the water, the cover with a wet paper towel to finish sprouting for another day or so. Then I grind it and add a dash of coconut water, fulvic, and kelp. Kelp contains co-enzymes that are beneficial to the process.

Also PH and temps can make a huge different in enzyme producing. Warm but not boiling water and warm temps are best for sprouting. 1 study recorded a 10x increase in enzymes just by increasing the sprouting temps by a few degrees. The ideal PH range is between 4-6.5
 

mouse1818

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A SST and an ACT together are fine. SST's provide enzymes (proteins) which are not a living organism and not a food stock for microbes afaik. The act will inoculate your soil with microbes and fungi (dependent on food stock and length of brew).

I'm curious as to what other people are doing with sst's. I have been doing a 12 hour soak, dumping that water, then aerating/soaking for an additional 36-48 hours..... Or until I get a 1/4+ inch sprout then just applying the water sans the sprouts. I'd like to hear what others are doing. Specifically soak/bubble duration, and if you're blending up the sprouts before applying (if so, why?).

Good thread!
http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/sprouted-seed-tea/
 

Chester da Horse

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$0.02 from a thoroughly science minded noob -

my system is as follows (small batches, its only a personal grow)

You need:
3g alfalfa seeds
water
0.2-0.5mLx50% hydrogen peroxide
small airstone and air pump
fulvic acid
liquid seaweed extract
blender

Method:
1st soak: add hydrogen peroxide to fresh water, soak (with or without bubbles) for 6-8hrs or until the seeds have more than doubled in weight. dark, 16-18C environment.
strain and rest on damp paper towel until sprouts are out the length of the seed (1mm or so) ~8-10hrs on a good batch.
Dump water,
Rinse thoroughly,
2nd soak: 1L fresh water + 1mL fulvic acid (0.5% i think) with bubbles until nice long tap roots and 99% germination
Add a few drops of liquid seaweed extract

Usage:
Use half the liquid strained and straight up or diluted 50:50 onto young seedlings/clones
Blend the remainder (or save a few sprouts for planting as a green manure first) and mash the remains through a metal mesh tea strainer to extract as much of the enzymes as possible, dump the solids back into the liquid after mashing.
dilute back up to 1L and bubble for another 15-20min.
Shit gets real frothy
Strain again and dilute 50:50 and distribute

This gets me 3L of dilute SST from 3g/1L initial brew.

I tried brewing the SST from the second stage onwards using an AACT solution but didn't feel it made any difference.
 

mouse1818

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$0.02 from a thoroughly science minded noob -

my system is as follows (small batches, its only a personal grow)

You need:
3g alfalfa seeds
water
0.2-0.5mLx50% hydrogen peroxide
small airstone and air pump
fulvic acid
liquid seaweed extract
blender

Method:
1st soak: add hydrogen peroxide to fresh water, soak (with or without bubbles) for 6-8hrs or until the seeds have more than doubled in weight. dark, 16-18C environment.
strain and rest on damp paper towel until sprouts are out the length of the seed (1mm or so) ~8-10hrs on a good batch.
Dump water,
Rinse thoroughly,
2nd soak: 1L fresh water + 1mL fulvic acid (0.5% i think) with bubbles until nice long tap roots and 99% germination
Add a few drops of liquid seaweed extract

Usage:
Use half the liquid strained and straight up or diluted 50:50 onto young seedlings/clones
Blend the remainder (or save a few sprouts for planting as a green manure first) and mash the remains through a metal mesh tea strainer to extract as much of the enzymes as possible, dump the solids back into the liquid after mashing.
dilute back up to 1L and bubble for another 15-20min.
Shit gets real frothy
Strain again and dilute 50:50 and distribute

This gets me 3L of dilute SST from 3g/1L initial brew.

I tried brewing the SST from the second stage onwards using an AACT solution but didn't feel it made any difference.
I like that quote in your signature its so true....
 

smink13

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Hey guys, I'm at my grow and working diligently so I couldn't read the whole thread so forgive me if this was answered.

I don't know much about sst. I bought some barley and popcorn, all organic( a bitch to find in my area btw)

I measured out a cup and added enough water plus about an inch on top, to cover the seeds. They are in just simple Rubbermaid kitchen containers.

Well after a couple days the barley expanded and popped the lid off and all I could smell was a putrid anaerobic smell and it accumulated a greyish, jelly like film on top.

Was it the lid being on that caused this or what? I saw videos where guys just do what I did in a mason jar and out the lid on and roughly a week later, sprouts.

What gives? Thanks in advance!
 

hyroot

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Hey guys, I'm at my grow and working diligently so I couldn't read the whole thread so forgive me if this was answered.

I don't know much about sst. I bought some barley and popcorn, all organic( a bitch to find in my area btw)

I measured out a cup and added enough water plus about an inch on top, to cover the seeds. They are in just simple Rubbermaid kitchen containers.

Well after a couple days the barley expanded and popped the lid off and all I could smell was a putrid anaerobic smell and it accumulated a greyish, jelly like film on top.

Was it the lid being on that caused this or what? I saw videos where guys just do what I did in a mason jar and out the lid on and roughly a week later, sprouts.

What gives? Thanks in advance!

Straight up here's what you do

No lid

1/4 cup or 2 oz of seeds per 5 gal tea

1. Soak for 8-10 hours. The amount of water Doesn't matter. I use twice the water there is of seeds.

2. Then strain water and rinse seeds. That initial water becomes a growth inhibitor after soaking.

3. Rest seeds on a wet cloth in a cool Dark place for 8- 10 hours.


Repeat steps as many times as necessary til seeds sprouts are the length of the seed. Then Puree with a little water in the blender or food processor. ( I use a bullet blender ).

Then strain pureed mix over and into bucket of 5 gal of water or how ever much you made for.

Then aerate for a little. Do not aerate longer than 4 hours. It becomes acidic and an herbicide. I let it aerate usually for 20- 30 min.

Then water plants
 

smink13

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Hell yeah, thanks hyroot! Exactly what I was looking for!

Do your measurements of how much per 5 gal go for any type of seed?

What seeds do you guys use/recommend?
 

hyroot

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Hell yeah, thanks hyroot! Exactly what I was looking for!

Do your measurements of how much per 5 gal go for any type of seed?

What seeds do you guys use/recommend?

Yes same measurements. . I just use corn seed. I grab organic popcorn seed from sprouts market.

Just about any seed or legume works.. I've also used barley seed, mung beans, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, alfalfa seeds. I like the results of the corn seed the most.
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Yes same measurements. . I just use corn seed. I grab organic popcorn seed from sprouts market.

Just about any seed or legume works.. I've also used barley seed, mung beans, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, alfalfa seeds. I like the results of the corn seed the most.
I am doing a comparison between pre-sprouted mung beans and sweet white corn and sugar pod peas. Corn and peas are together. I understand the prep and extraction for the seeds. But I'm unclear on the store bought mung beans.
Do I hydrate them first, then blend and bubble. Or just blend them while dehydrated and bubble.
 

DonBrennon

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I am doing a comparison between pre-sprouted mung beans and sweet white corn and sugar pod peas. Corn and peas are together. I understand the prep and extraction for the seeds. But I'm unclear on the store bought mung beans.
Do I hydrate them first, then blend and bubble. Or just blend them while dehydrated and bubble.
Nice idea, never thought about using pre sprouted beans. Can you not get the fresh bean sprouts? It'd take the guess work out of your re-hydration question I suppose.

I'm planning a comparison between fermented sst's against sst v2. I'm trying to reduce work load and I can't be arsed sprouting/blending up seeds every week or so. I've already made alfalfa, fenugreek and red clover fermented sst's and I will use the same seeds for the sst v2 at the same time. I also want to do barley and corn but I've had trouble getting em to sprout, I've assessed my sprouting method now though and will be doing it slightly different next time i try.

I'm hoping the fermented sst will be on a par with sst v2, then I'd only have to do sprouts once or twice per year, I'd also be using a lot less seed this way.
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Nice idea, never thought about using pre sprouted beans. Can you not get the fresh bean sprouts? It'd take the guess work out of your re-hydration question I suppose.

I saw a post where someone was asking about it. Since we're going for enzymes and growth hormones, both are not a living organism nor perishable , it's completely plausible to sprout, dry and then reactivate. But the uncertain is, what's the level of enzyme compared to using freshly germinated and is there any degradation of hormone.
The pre sprouted mung beans are touted on the products label to have reached the highest level obtainable and preserved nutrition and maximum digestibility.

I'm almost thinking I should just powder them first in a coffee grinder and bubble.
Either way, I'll be looking for enzymes and the frothiest one wins the preliminary. Then we see how the plants react.


I'm planning a comparison between fermented sst's against sst v2. I'm trying to reduce work load and I can't be arsed sprouting/blending up seeds every week or so. I've already made alfalfa, fenugreek and red clover fermented sst's and I will use the same seeds for the sst v2 at the same time. I also want to do barley and corn but I've had trouble getting em to sprout, I've assessed my sprouting method now though and will be doing it slightly different next time i try.

I was actually looking at gills article this morning on fermenting the SST. It sounds logical and very simple, however Gill and Patrick have failed to do enough of their own testing to see if any of the seeds produce an acidic herbicide, or even what seeds produce said toxins. I'm also very interested in this fermentation technique, but I'll rely on your results before I attempt such.

You've got a really nice array of enzymes with all those seeds. I'd combine everything once it's done. Super juice!


I'm hoping the fermented sst will be on a par with sst v2, then I'd only have to do sprouts once or twice per year, I'd also be using a lot less seed this way.
I'll be freezing mine. Like I said initially we're going after enzymes and hormones, and neither are a living organism, so they won't spoil. Length of storage is a factor but I have plans to brew with them and just toss a few frozen cubes onto the soils surface to melt and leak in.

I'm not sure on the appropriate frequency of using it but every other week could be bad to start.

After the anerobic DM and DP of the chitosan, I'll be further working it using an aerobic process, and this is where I'll yeild the chitinase. Then into an ice cube tray. Same shit, toss 1 or 2 onto the soils surface or brew into a tea.
 

Kind Sir

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I have a rather small garden and have a decent size bag of barley seeds from buildasoil, how often can you add sst to a plant?
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

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I have a rather small garden and have a decent size bag of barley seeds from buildasoil, how often can you add sst to a plant?
I've been giving 1 SST ice cube per plant (20 gal fabric) every other week. I just toss it on the soil surface and leave it to melt in. Seems to work but I don't really know for sure. My alien kush did set flower in 6 days from the flip, so it's very likely the hormones influenced that. She was always an early bloomer, but not that early. She skipped an entire week. But every one of my colas are around 12" long and heavily amd tightly stacked with nodes.
 

Grandpa GreenJeans

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Can you use cannabis seeds? I have a bunch of bagseeds I was thinking about trying since I heard it mentioned in a YouTube video on no till. I'm trying the popcorn tea now.
No idea, but it's definitely plausible. Cannabis seed is very high in omega 3/6 and that makes for some killer fungi food.
But being a seed, I don't see why not? I'd rather puree some canna beans over anything else TBH.
I smell a comparison test comming.......lol
 

vikinglace

Member
Hey all, been having a good read around various forums trying to find the answer to this quandary....

How long in flower should you keep using SST? does anyone know of negative effects of giving them late flower. I could imagine maybe abundance of leaf growth? I'm just coming up to week 6 of a 9-10 week strain so wondering if I should give another at this,point. Buds are slow to fatten at moment. All organically grown, ACTs, SST ETC. I think they had 3 or 4 sst since seed with 5 weeks veg.


Also, am I being daft here, but I just soak my seeds for about 8 hrs, give them a rinse, drain then leave spread along the sides of a glass jar, placed horizontally. Give them a rinse every 8hrs or so drain and repeat. 24-36 hrs later I've got inch long sprouts. Easy. Why all the complicated methods bubbling etc?
 

GoRealUhGro

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Lol I didn't meen to post that ...Im glad I did though..I plan on making the fuck outa sst this year..guess I could of just clicked on watch thread lol
 
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