Spider-Man
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Pro,
I would like to make one tote with your blend.
Stand alone flowering Nutrient.
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I would like to make one tote with your blend.
ProPheT 216
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Jack's RO one part with sulfuric as your pH down is almost identical to using 3-2-1. Just mix RO to around 1.3 EC if you want the equivalent to 3-2-1 in a one part. 1.0-1.2 EC will be enough though. It works great thru veg and flwer. If you dont like doing that get maxibloom for flower.
Once you go dry, you'll.. stay dry?
Didn't like storaging, carrying and paying for the water.
So I bought a few dry nutes from "hydroshops".
Namely the Maxibloom and Maxigro from GHE / T.A.
But I've since gone "commercial way" as in buying the 25kg bags of the nutes.
25kg of Calcium nitrate was around 30-40euros.
25kg of monopotassium phosphate(PK) was the most expensive at 60-70euros.
Those bags will probably last FOREVER
(using YaraTera products, since I noticed you have that in the NA aswell)
But yeah you can cook a few recipes and do water changes as needed.
Personally this season I'm trying to cut water changes from 2 -> 1.
Save nutes, save water, save my euros. It's what I say.
I did my own excel sheet for mixing the nutes.
Though there is premade ones like Hydrobuddy out there.
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I have no idea but I'm tired of carrying water around for zero reason.Once you go dry, you'll.. stay dry?
Didn't like storaging, carrying and paying for the water.
So I bought a few dry nutes from "hydroshops".
Namely the Maxibloom and Maxigro from GHE / T.A.
But I've since gone "commercial way" as in buying the 25kg bags of the nutes.
25kg of Calcium nitrate was around 30-40euros.
25kg of monopotassium phosphate(PK) was the most expensive at 60-70euros.
Those bags will probably last FOREVER
(using YaraTera products, since I noticed you have that in the NA aswell)
But yeah you can cook a few recipes and do water changes as needed.
Personally this season I'm trying to cut water changes from 2 -> 1.
Save nutes, save water, save my euros. It's what I say.
I did my own excel sheet for mixing the nutes.
Though there is premade ones like Hydrobuddy out there.
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Drop That Sound
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Spider-Man
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Let's see some results.
Drop That Sound
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I still haven't tried the new 0-12-26 formula yet, and was hoping someone would be the test dummy first.
Its just jacks 321, but without any nitrogen in the part A. Haven't seen any pics of the results yet either, or heard much.
I'll order some soon, and been planning to try it out.
As far as using a standalone flower nutrient, I've used nothing but maxi bloom once, and did quite a few runs with nothing but GH floranova bloom for the entire grows for awhile, from start to finish the whole time.. with huge plants. Coco and DWC. Tried a few more bloom only single part nute lines like that too.. but can't remember them all, like medi one or something, etc. I would skip getting the veg bottles, and just go for the bloom versions instead, basically using the lucas formula the whole time. Or use only mico and bloom with the 3 part lines. Other than paying for the water (JK, I got free bottles most the time back then), and it staining roots & being sludgy... and having to shake the crap out of it all the time, I had stellar grows using the one single bottle of nova, without any other additives.
Funny thing, there was a time I swore by using nothing but a 1 part bloom nute and water, and now I use nothing but regular jacks hydro 3-2-1 for everything, which is basically only a veg formula as is. It works good on its own too.
They don't seem to complain much, as long as you are feeding them something that is decently balanced, whether it be clone,veg or a bloom solution, lol.
Spider-Man
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ProPheT 216, Curious2garden,
You each get one case study, out of the four totes. Unless you both run the same recipe.
Spider-man two totes:
One: Masterblend 4-18-38/CN/MS
One: Custom Hydro, (still working the formula out)
ProPheT
One: Jack's 5-12-26/CN
Curious
Pick your recipe, if it is the same as ProPheT, you can choose a trusted recipe. I would like to have you in this case study.
I will be updating, with pics and info as time goes.
This weekend I'll tell you the parameters, of the system, so we all know the environment, I will be growing in.
Have a good day.
You each get one case study, out of the four totes. Unless you both run the same recipe.
Spider-man two totes:
One: Masterblend 4-18-38/CN/MS
One: Custom Hydro, (still working the formula out)
ProPheT
One: Jack's 5-12-26/CN
Curious
Pick your recipe, if it is the same as ProPheT, you can choose a trusted recipe. I would like to have you in this case study.
I will be updating, with pics and info as time goes.
This weekend I'll tell you the parameters, of the system, so we all know the environment, I will be growing in.
Have a good day.
Spider-Man
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Where are you two from?
I'm going to a big horticulture show in Columbus, Ohio. JULY14TH.
I think , 3 days.
It would be cool to meet at the masterblend tent.Share some ideas
I'm going to a big horticulture show in Columbus, Ohio. JULY14TH.
I think , 3 days.
It would be cool to meet at the masterblend tent.Share some ideas
Spider-Man
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Cage, Drop that Sound,
Next round.
Next round.
Hi, I don't grow in totes I grow in 70/30 coco/perlite mix in 2 gallon containers with General Hydro Flora Series and I follow their older 'recipe'. I'm just beginning my move to Jacks. So I wouldn't be any help with my grow rooms currently all under some level of construction. But here's yesterday, day 47, of Cannarado White Papaya.
Gemtree
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Spider-Man
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Cage, or drop that sound,
I have a opening if one of you want in. With your recipe.
We will do another study in the fall.
ProPheT: my parameters, if acceptable.
Water 66-68 degrees.
Ph 6.2
I know nothing of EC. /I do 1150-1300 ppm
Temp 84 +- 2 degrees
Humidity 50-55%
Lights Se5000 spiders
Each tote 27 gallon with 5 gallon return sump. Approximately 20 gallons total, being 1 inch under the net pot.
8 inch net pot, foiled and vented, to prevent light leak.
Remember, 4 separate plants, independent totes. All the same strain. Indica!
I was going to plant 4 Bruce Banner seeds. Genetics could make them all a little different.
So I think I will plant one seed. Wait and take four clones. That should make them all the same.
Any thoughts?
I have a opening if one of you want in. With your recipe.
We will do another study in the fall.
ProPheT: my parameters, if acceptable.
Water 66-68 degrees.
Ph 6.2
I know nothing of EC. /I do 1150-1300 ppm
Temp 84 +- 2 degrees
Humidity 50-55%
Lights Se5000 spiders
Each tote 27 gallon with 5 gallon return sump. Approximately 20 gallons total, being 1 inch under the net pot.
8 inch net pot, foiled and vented, to prevent light leak.
Remember, 4 separate plants, independent totes. All the same strain. Indica!
I was going to plant 4 Bruce Banner seeds. Genetics could make them all a little different.
So I think I will plant one seed. Wait and take four clones. That should make them all the same.
Any thoughts?
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Drop That Sound
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Nothing better than a good side by side test run.. Especially a 4 way! As much as I would love to see a side by side jacks 321 grow (one with the new 0-12-25 + calnit and the other with regular old 5-12-26 + calnit), I would have to place my bet on a single bottle of flora nova against all the other brands, liquid or dry.
I'll be testing the 0-12-26 pretty soon, in the next few months. I got 2 new super high tech custom RDWC systems to go in the flower room, ready to break in and run some side by sides as well..
I'll be testing the 0-12-26 pretty soon, in the next few months. I got 2 new super high tech custom RDWC systems to go in the flower room, ready to break in and run some side by sides as well..
tyler.durden
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You have a great space and such a nice setup. Your PH is a little high, I aim for 5.8 but I let it drift up to 6.2 or so before bringing it back down. Your room temp is high, especially for flowering, unless you are using CO2. Without it, your room should be no higher than 78. Sometimes one can't help letting the temps get up there, but it sounds like you have the ability to keep them lower. Subbed for this run, that first one was a heartbreaker....
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My recipes tend to be quite flexible, since I try doing as few water changes as possible.
For veg I aim for NPK 3-1-2 CaMg 2-1
Early flower(1-3weeks) NPK 1-1-2 CaMg 1-0,5
Then I got few recipes going from NPK 1:1:2 to 1:2:4, K to Ca goes to 3:1
But I'd suggest you try Maxibloom. It's pretty close to ratios I like with NPK ~1:1:2.
Few pointers in using Maxibloom is that there is citric acid which will swing the pH up after awhile.
So aim at the low end of pH when doing mix and let it drift up.
As for the parameters, they look nice.
But like tyler pointed, the pH is tad high. Most suggest 5.6-6.0 with midpoint being 5.8.
Or 5.5-6.5 and midpoint being 6.0. If you go too high, the micronutrients should start showing deficiencies, iron most likely.
I aim for 6.0 and don't bother adjusting unless it creeps out of the 5.6-6.3 range
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Jonesfamily7715
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Try this one out, I paid for this a few years ago wanting to make my own nutes. Little to involved for me not enough hours in my day
Jonesfamily7715
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Wizard npk formula