State of the un-union

They're all full of shit. There's really not to much difference between the two. They like people to think there is, because people like choices. Al Gore said it's all going to the web soon, and there will be less of an effect of campaign financing. I heard the same thing from a Marine Corp. liaison to the CIA stationed in the sandbox.

Medicare and Medicaid came up. Why don't more people connect the dots between there cost, and the reduction possible by legalizing bud.

Most if not all are FreeMasons, I said it before there is no side. Right, Left they all want power, money and they have it thanks to all the people that believe there side is right.

Lol misunderstanding about political history.. There is a huge difference between misunderstood assumptions about the democrats and republicans being the same and actual political analysis.

Both support the same corrupted systems. It's truly divide and conquer. How can I align my view and stances entirely on one side or the other. I am a progressive. The dems and repubs are both dirty. All of them should be arrested and jailed.

[video=youtube;mYQHqLuWuig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mYQHqLuWuig#t=37 s[/video]

The whole human species is corrupt by nature if you ask me. Thats just the way we are.

Definitely, like I said it's more a spiritual problem, than a man made one. I'm just as bad as everyone else.

Watch the NG channel doc, "The Daark Side of Chimps", it's crazy how violent they are. And we share 99% of the same DNA.

ThatGuy113 said:

The whole human species is corrupt by nature if you ask me. Thats just the way we are.

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I believe the answer lies within accountability here. In recent years the illogical and corrupt transfer of wealth to Washington DC would be considered criminal in any other sector. These clowns have now went beyond bankrupting us and our children. Am I alone to expect problem solving and leadership from my government, even if just on occasion

TheMan13 said:

I believe the answer lies within accountability here. In recent years the illogical and corrupt transfer of wealth to Washington DC would be considered criminal in any other sector. These clowns have now went beyond bankrupting us and our children. Am I alone to expect problem solving and leadership from my government, even if just on occasion

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I do to, I support government but his argument was that it should be demolished. He doesn't blame the politicians but he blames the "corrupted systems". I think government is the most efficient way to try to do the most good for the most people as a group. It was created to determine who gets what in a population and if done correctly it can be very efficient. Realizing that the work of a large group with one main goal would get a lot more done then several little groups working on different goals and competing with each other. I want compromise in my legislature but that comes with the public's voter turnout. If only the bases of each party go out and not only choose new candidates but then vote for said person combined with low voter turnout in mid term elections. Till that changes a climate of meeting in the middle will never come to reality.

I believe shit in this country would change on a dime if our Representatives were held criminally responsible to do the peoples work rather than their lobbing pals. These would need to be a brand new set of laws specifically related to Representatives, as they clearly exempt themselves from all they write. Would it really be too much to ask that those whom send our military into harms way be held to a higher standard not dissimilar from the UCMJ our soldiers do?!?

My point is no one is actually collectively holding them accountable in the first place our system is setup so that the voters are the ones that hold THEIR representatives accountable. The lobbying is the voting base for those candidates. That happens because no one wants to get their hands dirty and work their asses off to get another persons name on the ballot and eventually in that position. We still have less then half of our eligible voters (41% Turnout in 2010) turning out to voice their opinion that they seem to have no problem sharing until they have to drive to the local voting place. You cant tell me we have not tried hard enough as a population to create change in Washington. The Tea Baggers figured it out in 2010 with their wins in the mid terms. If they can figure it out how come others cannot join together and build a new segment that is visible on the political spectrum that cleans house in the upcoming elections. If a idea is good it will spread but the question is are voters smart enough to pay attention and see the big picture? I do not blame the system, I do not blame the politicians they are but men put in positions of great power. That is just begging for a test of the moral fortitude.....

The voters are the ones responsible. There is a reason voter suppression is still abundant and redistricting is happening across the country. Politics is a sport and at least half of the eligible voting population is the fat kid who quits playing because he knows he wont win. People think they know whats possible and until they actually try with the correct amount of effort and experience it will stay that way. Once they do try though some serious shit can happen.

Is everyone taken by con artists "at fault"? Again, if this is a sport, let's establish rules for them to play by with immediate consequences. Seems elementary to me brother

SSHZ said:

No way.......if it's not about sucking the rich dry- it won't be mentioned.

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Yes, those poor bastards at the top that are making more than ever before, all while enjoying historically low income tax rates are being "sucked dry".

Do you live under a rock?

Exactly, if it's left up to voters for accountability and all there is to vote for is corrupted humans then the system fails and the people lose. Left up to us this society will never be good but always corrupt.

What made me most ill last night is this. Obama has been on the national political scene for about a decade now. I have listened to literally a hundred speeches from the man. I'd like to see a list of everything he said he'd do over this time and juxtapose that to a list of his accomplishments for the "people". This really turns my stomach because the ignorant voter you refer to has not a clue They believe what they are told out of respect, regardless of the absurd reality of the facts of the matter.

[video=youtube;1kuTG19Cu_Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q[/video]

TheMan13 said:

What made me most ill last night is this. Obama has been on the national political scene for about a decade now. I have listened to literally a hundred speeches from the man. I'd like to see a list of everything he said he'd do over this time and juxtapose that to a list of his accomplishments for the "people". This really turns my stomach because the ignorant voter you refer to has not a clue They believe what they are told out of respect, regardless of the absurd reality of the facts of the matter.

[video=youtube;1kuTG19Cu_Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q[/video]

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I'm no Obama nut-hugger, but every politician makes promises that they don't keep.

Also, I know you follow politics pretty closely, so I know that you are aware of how the process works. Legislation does not come from the executive branch. With fillibusters being used like they're going out of style, how can you blame a president for not getting stuff done when every bill runs in to a wall put up by the other party?

I hear ya bro. I'm just saying that the talk got tired a long time ago, it's time to actually watch what they are doing. Just consider O's 6 million jobs claim last night. Some can actually do the math as he's talking and it just doesn't wash out in reality. To solve a problem one must acknowledge it's existence



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But really, is the Peace Prize an accomplishment of Obama's speeches or actions

TheMan13 said:

But really, is the Peace Prize an accomplishment of Obama's speeches or actions

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I have yet to figure that one out.

Affirmative action?

To say that Obama's simple reference to Diplomatic Security in the State of the Union address also irked me would be an understatement!

Today I watched his Q&A on YouTube. At about 34 minutes in Obama is asked about his administration's transparency ...

[video=youtube;eKMZ9PkMHzY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKMZ9PkMHzY[/video]

... Is there one person whom actually believes Obama even believes what he uttered about Benghazi here