Strange calyxes formation, I think she got knocked up....

Son of a bitch....

I've been noticing some strange calyx formations on my GHSC Trainwreck (only plant grown under 600W, DWC, 4 weeks into flower), odd shovel looking shapes. I've been seeing em for awhile now, start they where simply starting to swell up, but just tonight I noticed one that appeared to have an opening on the side (sort of like what you see with mature seeded buds) and a small light colored green thing inside. I yanked it off (I wanted to get it off in one piece to post a pic, but it is no easy task to remove these things) and sure enough there is what appears to be an immature seed (actually seeds, read further down...) in it, small oval light colored egg shape.

My pistils have been turning brown for days on certain buds (interestingly the strange ones have white pistills), which seemed to coincide perfectly with a milk spray for PM and I've heard of foliar sprays causing pistils to die back and amber up so I wasn't worried. I've seen these strange calyxes for about 10 days now, and they didn't worry me until I found that one with the opening and saw the contents.

Now, why am I making this crazy long post and ruining everyone's night (seriously, how many users saw the size of this and simply back paged...)? Well, I found another post where someone mentioned all calyxes have embryonic seeds inside (of course they should...makes perfect sense as they can't simply be empty sacks with two pistils leading to nowhere, now can they?) and he showed a pic of what he found in his (others found nothing in theirs...) and it looks damn similar. Is it possible I'm wrong about her getting pollinated?

For the record, pollination would have to have been through herming and the only thing that could have stressed the plant would be some defoliation on the bottom (the bottom of the plant is in rough shape...can't figure out why), otherwise I have loved this thing like it is my own flesh and blood. Also, I have searched through the entire thing with a jeweler's loop and can't find anything even remotely resembling male parts, mind you, the plant is fucking huge and I've heard pollen sacks can hide inside of buds, so I'm not ruling it out. The plant isn't in the room by itself, I have a small L.S.D. in there (I can't believe how resistant this strain is to the PM, I've had infected leaves touching the L.S.D's and it still has not contracted the condition) and this plant's pistils are perfectly white with no signs of these "seeded" calyxes.

Lastly, the calyxes is question are damn strange looking. They four pistils (as well as four of these immature seeds or whatever the hell they are) coming from them and yanking them open is like peeling an onion, they seem like calyxes forming inside of each other. I've heard GHSC's Trainwreck has some distinctive calyxes (large), is it even remotely possible that she isn't preggers?

I know nobody here can really answer that question and certainly not without see it. I will get a pic up tomorrow, I'm too heartbroken to do it tonight. Regardless of her gender I don't plan on killing her, I wouldn't turn away any future children I might have simply because they are sexually confused...

In the interim, I have a HUGE favor to ask. As I said, I found another post where some people had things in their 100% unpollinated calyxes and other people found nothing. Would anyone out there with a plant 4 week into flower be so kind as to sacrifice one of their plants larger calyxes and tell me what you find in it?

Thanks guys.



T.

It's self pollinating. Sometimes it isn't very obvious because it will start after the buds have had a chance to enlarge and will occur within the buds. Once it's all said and done, you'll probably find in the bract area of your buds will be hard and have that skin like a seed or partially formed seeds. At this point, flip a coin and let fate decide if it lives or dies tonight, because it's no longer going to produce resin, it's diverting energy to seed production, your buds will turn out disgusting, sad to say, been there.

So this is for certain? I now have my doubts....maybe it's denial, you tell me.

Last night I got a little ahead of myself and didn't bother to think back to my high school biology. I had planned on majoring in biology (well, micro anyway) before switching to organic chem so I'm more than a little embarrassed...I also made the mistake of not realizing what those strange calyxes where, as I said they look like calyxes inside of calyxes. Now, I'm pretty sure (90%) it's early signs of foxtailing (a trait this strain is supposedly known for according to the grow video at GHSC's website), it explains why there is more than two pistils and why some appear to be opening as well as the multiple "immature seeds" inside. I'll get a pic up later on tonight.

Of course the pistils need to lead to something, and they do, the ovule (I'm too burnt to remember high-school, I should have broken out a bio textbook last night...), now that's obviously what these things are (I think ovule size is dependent on strain, that's why some people find them and some don't, TW puts out large calyxes which could be a factor), the question becomes whether or not they are in fact pollinated.

To answer that I yanked off another funny calyx today and dug out the ovule/immature seeds (small translucent green globes) and checked it under my microscope; the antipodals appear to be intact and I don't see the 3n endosperm nucleus or a 2n zygote, just the egg cell. Of course this could simply mean that the one I checked was unpollinated or in the very early stages, but I'm not gonna call it until I see actual seeds...

The only thing I can't neatly write off is the fact that I have a lot of brown pistils at week 4. Any other reason pistils might be turning brown so early? For the record they started this after the milk spray and it's only certain buds (I did my best to avoid hitting the buds with the milk, but some got it) and I haven't noticed it worsening since a few days after the milk.

I'll post an update when I figure out what is going on, in the mean time any feedback is appreciated.

Denial, definitely denial....

There is no doubt some immature seeds popping out of a few calyxes. Son of a bitch.....

Looks like she'll be used for BHO....

Thanks guys.