"Sure to Grow" inserts with C.A.P. Ebb and Grow: a prescription for disaster

hesallwet

Member
I tried the Sure to Grow inserts for my Ebb and Grow system, and HATED THEM! Here's why:
1. The inserts sank to the bottom of my pots, loosing valuable root space at the top and allowing the water to soak the top of the media - soon to be followed by algae, I'm sure.
2. Then, the top of the insert dried out quickly: like in a few minutes, causing dehydration to my newly planted clones.
3. The bottom of the insert traps water - BIG TIME. I noticed that when I tipped the pot at an angle, all this water drained out: like a pint per pot. The laminar build of the fibers creates horizontal traps for water (think mica) there was just no getting around water stagnating in the middle of the lower pot.

I sent an email asking for help from STG: no reply. First, I watched the "Matt the Grower videos and put air stones in the bottom of every pot with an STG insert, as he suggested. That caused the STG inserts to burb water out of right out of the pots. The inserts didn't let the air through (bad sign) they just built up the pressure until the insert lifted up and farted around the edge of the pot. (Kinda funny actually, but caused me to lose nutrient solution onto the floor)

"So, I called the folks at 6062 Holdings (216) 360 8116 and was told that it was a known problem caused by Chinese manufacturing. I also got some advice to hang the inserts from the top of the pot with drapery hooks - which did nothing for the water entrapment, put it did cause me to cut my fingers on the points sticking up :-(

By this time, my plants were dying: from both dehydration of the smaller plants and the start of root rot in the bigger ones. I had to carefully extricate the roots from that wad of pillow stuffing and transplanted all of them into a mixture of coco and perlite. (Maybe not ideal, but what I had on hand to deal with this growing disaster). I put a piece of filter fabric on the bottom of the pot, to keep the mix from coming out the holes, and added a rock to weigh the pot down. That's' my experience with it. Please let me know, if yours is any better. Thanks!
 

D.A.

Member
I have had plants (clones and small seedlings) die useing "sure to grow" products. It seems to trap the water, turn acidic, and rot the roots.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Sorry you found out the hard way bro, sure to grow is the worst medium that you can use in a ebb&grow!
Not sure about other systems but im guessing it sucks in them to :(
 
Thanks for the warning. I heard these were bad a while ago, nice to hear their still bad. What a hassle! Sorry you had to go through it.
 

justhavinago86

New Member
I tried the Sure to Grow inserts for my Ebb and Grow system, and HATED THEM! Here's why:
1. The inserts sank to the bottom of my pots, loosing valuable root space at the top and allowing the water to soak the top of the media - soon to be followed by algae, I'm sure.
2. Then, the top of the insert dried out quickly: like in a few minutes, causing dehydration to my newly planted clones.
3. The bottom of the insert traps water - BIG TIME. I noticed that when I tipped the pot at an angle, all this water drained out: like a pint per pot. The laminar build of the fibers creates horizontal traps for water (think mica) there was just no getting around water stagnating in the middle of the lower pot.

I sent an email asking for help from STG: no reply. First, I watched the "Matt the Grower videos and put air stones in the bottom of every pot with an STG insert, as he suggested. That caused the STG inserts to burb water out of right out of the pots. The inserts didn't let the air through (bad sign) they just built up the pressure until the insert lifted up and farted around the edge of the pot. (Kinda funny actually, but caused me to lose nutrient solution onto the floor)

"So, I called the folks at 6062 Holdings (216) 360 8116 and was told that it was a known problem caused by Chinese manufacturing. I also got some advice to hang the inserts from the top of the pot with drapery hooks - which did nothing for the water entrapment, put it did cause me to cut my fingers on the points sticking up :-(

By this time, my plants were dying: from both dehydration of the smaller plants and the start of root rot in the bigger ones. I had to carefully extricate the roots from that wad of pillow stuffing and transplanted all of them into a mixture of coco and perlite. (Maybe not ideal, but what I had on hand to deal with this growing disaster). I put a piece of filter fabric on the bottom of the pot, to keep the mix from coming out the holes, and added a rock to weigh the pot down. That's' my experience with it. Please let me know, if yours is any better. Thanks!
i grow using 12 pot dwc and they work great i put my clones into the 2inch aerocloner and then straight into a 6in stg inserts after 2 weeks and they go crazy never had problems with alge or them drying out as long as u put the stem of the plant well into the pot its fine but i would not recomend them for anything other that aeroponics or a dwc setups because the medium doesn't have to be wet in either of these systems, so dont bag them just cause they dont work in the setup u got do more research on the product before u use it they say they're not for ebb and flow anyway so why would u try it stick to hydroton if your that much of a noob
 

ricky6991

Well-Known Member
i use cap monster buckets without any insert buckets but instead use a lid and 6" netpot. roots have entire bucket to grow. althoug there is inch of water inside bucket at all times which gives me no problems in veg. so the system for flowering since roots are established i put 3/4" plywood under buckets so they drain all the way. because roots are established i can loose that 3/4" from top of bucket fill level.

easy, no crazy amount of medium, plenty root space... just need bigger rez it takes a full 55gal drum to fill to eat. so i got 200gal rez and dont have to do much for weeks to it. just keep movement and temps.
 
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