taking a plunge in AN's line up.

Sir.Ganga

New Member
In your post above you talk about running a strain and watching for deficiencies. I don't know about you but I had zero deficiencies with GH, zero with my current plant food and H&G's Aqua Flakes is also deficiency-free as well. Guess which plant food showed deficiencies when I used it in my plug-and-play hydro tables? I currently run 14 strains and I feed all of them in the same way; I give them what they need when they need it and I don't have a single deficient leaf in my entire room.

There is so much more to a productive grow than what name is on your plant food bottle but newbs who don't understand the basics of what makes a plant grow want to think that these expensive bottles are filled with pixie dust and guarantees. It doesn't work like that. The info is out there for those who seek it.
Those are my girls for sure HB, I will be doing a gro-log once I start feeling better, so keep your eyes open for it if your a non believer.

First off HomeBrewer I'll let you know my background(if you care) and hopefully it will clear "opinions" a little. I worked for a company called Prarie Plant Ent. about 15 years ago and was responsible for Health Canada's MMAR program. 3 of us botinists/growers were responsible for Canada's entire legal pot. I moved on after they moved the grow from the mines up north to a building in Saskatoon, Sask. Lack of funding caused a downsizing and I was not about to supply Canada by myself and a couple of newbs. I was privy to inside information on everything from nuts to bolts. We ran then diganosed all types of nutrients from organic to AN, AN is as chemical as it comes.

Onto your comments, The deficiencies I speak about are not visible to the naked eye. If you think you are free of issues you are sadly mistaken. I do not even need to see your room to tell you that if your growing a strain from India or that region(indica) you are probabaly deficient in (Ca)calcium, mag, (Mg)and most likely (N)nitrogen. If you are into Sativas then your a little short on (B)Boron, (Fe)iron and most likely could use a boost of (k2o) potash. Thats not even seeing your grow!

We all have deficiencies, doesn't matter what nutes you use. Nutrients are made for a (blanket) application, this means that they take a general overall view of what a plant needs and formulated to that standard. This is where problems start with most formulations, most nutes are not made for this market, cannbis is a very aggressive plant(weed) that will strip your formula very quickly, not like house plants or a veggy garden. Unless reasearch has been done extensively its all guess work. Your right in saying that you grow good pot and I believe you but just because they look good and you do not have problems doesn't mean that you have hit a bumper crop.

Whats needed is a company that strictly researches cannabis for their specific needs and uptake, thats where AN has come to the market and has a different formula, Kinda a blanket formula or cannabis. You will have less overall deficiencies with a product designed for cannabis then the other general ferts. There is no one else that formulates strictly for cannabis, that I know of, tried them all and even made them.

Your last statment is soooo true, understanding their needs, keeping clean, and a lot of homeschooling will go a long way before you need to dive into the little extras. I look at it this way, its like ordering a hamburger, you know you want a bun and a patty but what condiments?

The best thing a newb can do for himself is buy a quality nutrient, they will be the easiest to base everything else on. The curve is si steep when you first start out eliminating most nutrient issues will go a long way in their oveall knowledge.
 

homebrewer

Well-Known Member
Onto your comments, The deficiencies I speak about are not visible to the naked eye. If you think you are free of issues you are sadly mistaken. I do not even need to see your room to tell you that if your growing a strain from India or that region(indica) you are probabaly deficient in (Ca)calcium, mag, (Mg)and most likely (N)nitrogen. If you are into Sativas then your a little short on (B)Boron, (Fe)iron and most likely could use a boost of (k2o) potash. Thats not even seeing your grow!
Feel free to post a copy of your tissue analysis that brings you to these conclusions.

We all have deficiencies, doesn't matter what nutes you use. Nutrients are made for a (blanket) application, this means that they take a general overall view of what a plant needs and formulated to that standard. This is where problems start with most formulations, most nutes are not made for this market, cannbis is a very aggressive plant(weed) that will strip your formula very quickly, not like house plants or a veggy garden. Unless reasearch has been done extensively its all guess work. Your right in saying that you grow good pot and I believe you but just because they look good and you do not have problems doesn't mean that you have hit a bumper crop.
You're guaranteed deficiencies if your plant food doesn't supply the minerals in the first place. My plant food supplies all 16 essential elements, how many are in your bottles? Probably about 9, actually.

Whats needed is a company that strictly researches cannabis for their specific needs and uptake, thats where AN has come to the market and has a different formula, Kinda a blanket formula or cannabis. You will have less overall deficiencies with a product designed for cannabis then the other general ferts. There is no one else that formulates strictly for cannabis, that I know of, tried them all and even made them.
I could not disagree more. We're talking about a dicot here, a foliage plant with nutritional needs similar to the tomato. There are 16 essential elements and no matter what a plant food company wants us to think, mineral salts in a bottle is not rocket science and it's not expensive. I can buy 20 pounds of monopotassium sulfate on ebay for 20 bucks, yet AN charges $80 for probably 8 ounces worth because it has a glossy label. Buying into Canna-specific marketing (which you're perpetuating) is a trap only newbs fall into.

I ask you this; how many university professors, botanists or horticulturalists are using over-priced plant foods for their own gardens? It's not about the name on the bottle, it's about the mineral content and the composition of the formula.

At harvest:

 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
yield looks petty weak there. is that why all your pics are usually closeups with no scale HB? also appears to be a K deficiency with the leaves as you can clearly see the green being pulled out of the leaves on the larger fan leaves. could be too much Ca or just a lack of K in your formula.
 

decrimCA

Active Member
Wow. This thread is making my brain explode. I might be getting smarter. LOL

*waves hand for others to carry on*
 
Those are my girls for sure HB, I will be doing a gro-log once I start feeling better, so keep your eyes open for it if your a non believer.

First off HomeBrewer I'll let you know my background(if you care) and hopefully it will clear "opinions" a little. I worked for a company called Prarie Plant Ent. about 15 years ago and was responsible for Health Canada's MMAR program. 3 of us botinists/growers were responsible for Canada's entire legal pot. I moved on after they moved the grow from the mines up north to a building in Saskatoon, Sask. Lack of funding caused a downsizing and I was not about to supply Canada by myself and a couple of newbs. I was privy to inside information on everything from nuts to bolts. We ran then diganosed all types of nutrients from organic to AN, AN is as chemical as it comes.

Onto your comments, The deficiencies I speak about are not visible to the naked eye. If you think you are free of issues you are sadly mistaken. I do not even need to see your room to tell you that if your growing a strain from India or that region(indica) you are probabaly deficient in (Ca)calcium, mag, (Mg)and most likely (N)nitrogen. If you are into Sativas then your a little short on (B)Boron, (Fe)iron and most likely could use a boost of (k2o) potash. Thats not even seeing your grow!

We all have deficiencies, doesn't matter what nutes you use. Nutrients are made for a (blanket) application, this means that they take a general overall view of what a plant needs and formulated to that standard. This is where problems start with most formulations, most nutes are not made for this market, cannbis is a very aggressive plant(weed) that will strip your formula very quickly, not like house plants or a veggy garden. Unless reasearch has been done extensively its all guess work. Your right in saying that you grow good pot and I believe you but just because they look good and you do not have problems doesn't mean that you have hit a bumper crop.

Whats needed is a company that strictly researches cannabis for their specific needs and uptake, thats where AN has come to the market and has a different formula, Kinda a blanket formula or cannabis. You will have less overall deficiencies with a product designed for cannabis then the other general ferts. There is no one else that formulates strictly for cannabis, that I know of, tried them all and even made them.

Your last statment is soooo true, understanding their needs, keeping clean, and a lot of homeschooling will go a long way before you need to dive into the little extras. I look at it this way, its like ordering a hamburger, you know you want a bun and a patty but what condiments?

The best thing a newb can do for himself is buy a quality nutrient, they will be the easiest to base everything else on. The curve is si steep when you first start out eliminating most nutrient issues will go a long way in their oveall knowledge.
google search for this company.https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS461US461&sugexp=chrome,mod=18&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=prarie+plant+ent#hl=en&rlz=1C1TSNO_enUS461US461&sa=X&ei=OiHWT4ChG8Te2QWqocGOCw&ved=0CAgQvwUoAQ&q=prairie+plant+ent&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=2db105060e3663e9&biw=1600&bih=773

not buying it phil.you must have been up all night working on this one. prairie even has bad spelling.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
homebrewer and the admin already confirmed that i am not sir ganja. great tactic by you guys though...anyone on this site that uses and likes AN must be me. lmao. you've got it...i'm lordjin, hugetom, sirganja, collective gardener, etc... you've caught me.

nice try in homebrewers journal too...yea, those plants were outside. too bad you didn't see the concrete pad below them. epic fail on your part. guess you weren't around when i posted earlier that i had to take the plants out a few days while i was working on chiller lines in the veg tent. real smooth buddy. love it how homebrewer can't even take a little heat in his own journal. he goes and cries to the admin and has my posts removed when all i was doing was asking questions. wasn't talking shit or anything. this is the same guy who flames the shit out of every AN thread that pops up on this forum. but as soon as someone questions him he starts crying to the staff to remove the posts.
 
homebrewer and the admin already confirmed that i am not sir ganja. great tactic by you guys though...anyone on this site that uses and likes AN must be me. lmao. you've got it...i'm lordjin, hugetom, sirganja, collective gardener, etc... you've caught me.

nice try in homebrewers journal too...yea, those plants were outside. too bad you didn't see the concrete pad below them. epic fail on your part. guess you weren't around when i posted earlier that i had to take the plants out a few days while i was working on chiller lines in the veg tent. real smooth buddy. love it how homebrewer can't even take a little heat in his own journal. he goes and cries to the admin and has my posts removed when all i was doing was asking questions. wasn't talking shit or anything. this is the same guy who flames the shit out of every AN thread that pops up on this forum. but as soon as someone questions him he starts crying to the staff to remove the posts.
and just how did they confirm that?
 

backyardagain

Well-Known Member
hey homebrewer get the fuck off this thread, go flame somewhere else. you dont see me jumping on your shit so get off of mine we know you dont like AN i dont care for what you have to say or anyof this shit,. since you still cant read the thread title it saysTaking aplunge in AN's line up. so stop commenting on this shit.
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
and just how did they confirm that?
i got a PM from the admin stating that he knows i'm not sir ganja. homebrewer complained to the admin and was told that i'm not sir ganja. if i was sir ganja the admin would have deleted the account. i wouldn't make up a ghost account just to post a pic of that plant. sir ganja obviously knows how to grow and that is a nice plant. what would be the point of me making a ghost account to show off that plant. i'd just post it on my own account. nice try though.
 
i got a PM from the admin stating that he knows i'm not sir ganja. homebrewer complained to the admin and was told that i'm not sir ganja. if i was sir ganja the admin would have deleted the account. i wouldn't make up a ghost account just to post a pic of that plant. sir ganja obviously knows how to grow and that is a nice plant. what would be the point of me making a ghost account to show off that plant. i'd just post it on my own account. nice try though.
you mean you used a different ip? you got an excuse for everything.
 

Sir.Ganga

New Member
Feel free to post a copy of your tissue analysis that brings you to these conclusions.

I was going too until I read further...



You're guaranteed deficiencies if your plant food doesn't supply the minerals in the first place. My plant food supplies all 16 essential elements, how many are in your bottles? Probably about 9, actually.
This quote speaks volumes to someone with a chemistry background or knows a little about essential ellements, Stop being bias for whatever reason and help people, thats what they are here for. You obviously know the basics why do you generalize if not up to something??


I ask you this; how many university professors, botanists or horticulturalists are using over-priced plant foods for their own gardens? It's not about the name on the bottle, it's about the mineral content and the composition of the formula.
I can't speak for the ones I don't know but EVERY Botanist I know uses only AN because the work is already done. That doesn'y say much sinceI only know about 30.

Nice frost by the way but if your gonna burn for frost do it right!



Now thats Frost Burn!
 

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cindysid

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Wow, sounds like you both know a lot about growing...too bad you can't stop arguing and teach the rest of us what you know!
 

ScoobyDoobyDoo

Well-Known Member
I was going too until I read further...

This quote speaks volumes to someone with a chemistry background or knows a little about essential ellements, Stop being bias for whatever reason and help people, thats what they are here for. You obviously know the basics why do you generalize if not up to something??

I can't speak for the ones I don't know but EVERY Botanist I know uses only AN because the work is already done. That doesn'y say much sinceI only know about 30.

Nice frost by the way but if your gonna burn for frost do it right!

Now thats Frost Burn!
back home we call that...FACED!!!
 
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