Tea Party "Hatriots or Patriots"

figtree

Active Member
Too bad the nut jobs and the supporters of nutjobs had to de-rail something that may have been a good thing. The Tea Party movement could have done some real good for our 2 party system if they didnt hate so much and ruin their image to the realistic swing voters, and even demacrats with independent roots.

If you support hate then your a hatriot. If you align yourself with hate then your a hatriot. If you racialy attack others in the name of Patriotism, you are spreading HATRIOTISM. America is all about tolerance, not "be like me or I hate you". Americans do have the right to free speech, but some have respect for others as human beings even if they are different.

Not the Hatriots that are part of the Tea Party, are you guilty by association of being a Hatriot disguised as a Patriot?
Patriots stand against discimination, and opression. Not spread fear, hate and discrimination.......those ones are hatriots.
 

Man o' the green

Active Member
There is no speech ( including hate speech ) prohibited by the constitution with the exception of incitement to violence : the "clear and present danger" test set by the SCOTUS. I respect the right of anyone to speak with emotion - even hate.

Defending the constitution is the definition of patriotism. Their ideas to establish better constitutional bounds have nothing to do with racism or hate, or at least not to the vast majority of people who support it. If it was indeed a hate group, I doubt there would be much support for it, regardless of their goals.

What is the evidence that the tea-party people generally are engaged in this behaviour ? What in their objectives is defined by hate ?
I've seen nutjobs of all types in all groups. You can't generalize.
Are all Muslims complicit in terrorist acts by their fellow worshippers ? They are denounced, and the core values of the religion persist.

America is not all about tolerance. It is all about freedom. I tolerate the intolerant because they live in free society and can do as they wish.

Patriots stand for the constitution - not for being nice to each other.

EDIT : to clarify, I am not going to discuss all the SCOTUS decisions on the limits of the first amendment, I used only the Schenck v. US "clear and present danger" test to simplify.
 

figtree

Active Member
Nicely stated! Your right, it is all about freedom. I guess its how people take advantage of the freedoms to spread hate that bothers me.......

I will answer your questions:

What is the evidence that the tea-party people generally are engaged in this behaviour ? What in their objectives is defined by hate ? - part 1) no evidence, just experienced some conversations with some. part 2) Objectives and actions are 2 seperate things. Objectives are a goal, actions are what are important. You can say your objective is anything you want, but your actions speak louder than words.

I've seen nutjobs of all types in all groups. You can't generalize. - Your right, I cant.... and I apologize because I did. And your right, they are everywere! LOL

Are all Muslims complicit in terrorist acts by their fellow worshippers ? They are denounced, and the core values of the religion persist. - I say if they are affiliating themselves with terrorist groups then yes, they are complicit. Just like our chistian militias, you cant say all christians are in a militia or terrorist group, but the ones affiliating themselves with it would be complicit as well. They are denounced and their core values persist. But it does'nt mean they should be discriminated on for being christians. We do have the right to be any religion, even Islamic.

I do think the majority of the tea party represents hatred and maybe not even realize it?, every one of them I have talked to (in person) shed a little light into their prejudice, and most of it is racist, and discriminatory. they may make a joke about it...and not realize it.... but its still totally racist, and discriminatory (or should I say supremist) and it doesnt stop there...... its religious prejudice, its sexual preference prejudice, basicaly anything different is doom and gloom.

Like I said I think the tea party would have more attraction to people like me if the hatred we see and hear wasnt there, you can still be passionate with out being hateful and hurtful.

I respect peoples right to free speach.....absolutley! with the exception to hate speach, because it will lead to hate crimes....absolutely. I'm not saying everyone needs to get along or love each other, I'm saying there is a civil way of emotionally interacting without the hate speach. But the majority of the tea party and the Republicans are not interested in civility right now, they are more intent to drive a divide in the country......... and they are succeeding in this with hate.

I try to be middle of the road with regards to my political views, believe it or not I do have some conservative views, some moderate views, and some liberal views. But what I find interesting is all this hate, ect.... I speak of is shifting me more towards the left (I find myself defending the demacrats). And its shifting the republicans more towards the right, when we should be coming to the center to get through all of this. All I'm seeing is separation, even when I try to come together and compromise all I get is "I hope your side fails" isnt this about all our sides, working together even if we disagree. Its all about their way or the highway, they know best. There is always more than one way to skin a cat, no matter what anyones opinion says, theres always another way of doing things correctly.

Again, nicely stated. I have a bit more hope now, thanks for pickin me up a bit..... I been depressed lately from all this. :(
 

medicineman

New Member
I personally have had conversations with the tea party types, extreme right wing foamers. One brother of a friend of mine actually was foaming at the mouth in a heated rant against Obama and the left, Pure incitful hatred. I saw that idiot throwing money at that disabled man on the ground, pure hatred. The tea party in general is a bunch of middle aged businessmen that hate taxation and anything pertaining to any social programs, what I define as assholes. I've seen them all my life, the asshole boss that wants to cut your wages to profit more, the asshole middle manager that will knife you in the back while sucking the guy above him's Dick, yeah, the tea baggers are for the most part just midle aged assholes that are trying to voice their frustrations with life in general and the left in particular, assholes to a tea.
 

ViRedd

New Member
I personally have had conversations with the tea party types, extreme right wing foamers. One brother of a friend of mine actually was foaming at the mouth in a heated rant against Obama and the left, Pure incitful hatred. I saw that idiot throwing money at that disabled man on the ground, pure hatred. The tea party in general is a bunch of middle aged businessmen that hate taxation and anything pertaining to any social programs, what I define as assholes. I've seen them all my life, the asshole boss that wants to cut your wages to profit more, the asshole middle manager that will knife you in the back while sucking the guy above him's Dick, yeah, the tea baggers are for the most part just midle aged assholes that are trying to voice their frustrations with life in general and the left in particular, assholes to a tea.
If everyone around you seems to be an "asshole," then perhaps the asshole is you. Take a good look in the mirror, Med. Do you see a sphincter staring back at you?
 
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