Teaming with Fungi...................Out soon!!!

DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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Can't wait for this one, out in January....................I think

https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Fungi-Organic-Mycorrhizae-Gardeners/dp/1604697296

Somebody posted this link in another thread recently and just had to watch the lot of it

https://livestream.com/adamdunnshow/events/6608970

Some real great info in there(despite these goons seemingly total lack of interest or respect) and the big thing that I came away from it with, was that the most basic level, cannabis only needs good bacterial dominant soil/compost
 
calliandra

calliandra

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greasemonkeymann said:
thank god/allah/Buddha/etc for that
I tried to get a good fungal based compost and the worms ate it all..
literally..
so now I have a metric-fuck-ton of wormcastings
and essentially my compost is gone..
ho-hum
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meh, I'm sure the fungi are still in there. (though yes I get you may have lost your desired structure and aeration?)
You could have that checked you know :-P
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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I'll be honest; I'm still only halfway through finishing teaming with microbes. I better get back to it or I will have no idea what going on in the sequel. I mean it's really great info for soil nerds but it's a bit hard to follow; well for a simpleton like me it is anyway. It's more of an earth science primer than a book on growing. I tend to just look at the few pictures and drool until I fall asleep in my chair
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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Richard Drysift said:
I'll be honest; I'm still only halfway through finishing teaming with microbes. I better get back to it or I will have no idea what going on in the sequel. I mean it's really great info for soil nerds but it's a bit hard to follow; well for a simpleton like me it is anyway. It's more of an earth science primer than a book on growing. I tend to just look at the few pictures and drool until I fall asleep in my chair
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I gotta go through TWN's again, chemistry has always been my weakest field of science, ever since setting fire to a jar of magnesium at school and trying to put it out with water, shit, I nearly blew the classroom up (maybe a little overdramatic now, but that's how it felt at the time).

............and here's my confession.........I've only got PDF copies(Sorry Jeff, LOL)..............BUT, my Mom asked what I wanted for Xmas while I was visiting the other day and the 3 book deal off amazon is gonna be my perfect present, even if I have to wait to get my hands on em.
 
greasemonkeymann

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Rasta Roy said:
You poor sad soul, no compost and all those worm castings. Sounds like a good problem! Lol
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haha, yea totally, it's not the worst thing
i actually thought of you specifically when i heard about the new book
aren't you not totally a "believer" of using myco?
i'm looking forward to reading more, because everything I've read has led me to believe it's almost crucial to use
but i sorta have a cognitive dissonance on the subject, like you I've run many, many times without the use of myco and could not discernibly tell a difference
but i think there is more to it, when we feed or even amend our soils with as much nutrients as we do (remember compost is LOADED with everything completely available)
so in my mind, i'm thinking because of all that readily available, that the plant really doesn't benefit much from the myco
after all the myco does indeed help massively with the usage of phosphorus, but like i said, with that already available and already easily uptook due to the incredible microbial diversity and composting process, how much is that needed?
interesting..
that being said, i continue to use myco at transplant....
but have failed to note any difference when i don't

hmmm..
does anybody know if anybody other than cannabis growers use myco?
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Richard Drysift said:
I'll be honest; I'm still only halfway through finishing teaming with microbes. I better get back to it or I will have no idea what going on in the sequel. I mean it's really great info for soil nerds but it's a bit hard to follow; well for a simpleton like me it is anyway. It's more of an earth science primer than a book on growing. I tend to just look at the few pictures and drool until I fall asleep in my chair
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teaming with nutrients is even worse man, the first third of the book is needing a good three or four times to actually absorb it
 
NaturalFarmer

NaturalFarmer

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greasemonkeymann said:
hmmm..
does anybody know if anybody other than cannabis growers use myco?
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I think it is used to combat root knot nematodes and pathogenic fungi against targeted crops....so it may not be an exciting example. I think more and more farms are planting with it as it becomes more available but it seems like a hard to quantify thing.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4646980/



http://mycorrhizae.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Farmers-Fungus-That-Pays-Big-Dividends-PDF.pdf
 
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Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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greasemonkeymann said:
haha, yea totally, it's not the worst thing
i actually thought of you specifically when i heard about the new book
aren't you not totally a "believer" of using myco?
i'm looking forward to reading more, because everything I've read has led me to believe it's almost crucial to use
but i sorta have a cognitive dissonance on the subject, like you I've run many, many times without the use of myco and could not discernibly tell a difference
but i think there is more to it, when we feed or even amend our soils with as much nutrients as we do (remember compost is LOADED with everything completely available)
so in my mind, i'm thinking because of all that readily available, that the plant really doesn't benefit much from the myco
after all the myco does indeed help massively with the usage of phosphorus, but like i said, with that already available and already easily uptook due to the incredible microbial diversity and composting process, how much is that needed?
interesting..
that being said, i continue to use myco at transplant....
but have failed to note any difference when i don't

hmmm..
does anybody know if anybody other than cannabis growers use myco?
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I'm definitely a believer in mycorrhiza fungi and its role in phosphorus uptake and plant growth. But yeah I'm not sold on the fact that I have to add it into my grow. It's been almost exactly a year since the last time I ran a grow with it and I haven't missed it at all. With all the learning and a couple new tricks in the hat this has actually been the best grow year I've had. But...I make my own worm castings, and my own compost (thermal and fungal), and I have access to awesome quality local compost when I don't have enough to meet my needs. I gotta believe some real life mycos are naturally going on with all that goodness. If I was stuck with a bale of promix, a bag of wiggle worm castings, and a handful of my favorite amendments...Then I would be adding mycos at transplant, and adding humic acid to my soil. But I dropped both and haven't missed either.

That or like you said...If our compost and soil is already full of plenty of uptakeable phosphorus...What the hell do we need mycos to improve the situation for? Maybe they're just for the poor bastards that don't have much phosphorus in their soil.
 
NaturalFarmer

NaturalFarmer

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Rasta Roy said:
But...I make my own worm castings, and my own compost (thermal and fungal), and I have access to awesome quality local compost when I don't have enough to meet my needs. I gotta believe some real life mycos are naturally going on with all that goodness.
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If the fungal compost has the roots of infected fungi than you are good, but I don't think the spores will live through thermal composting, I wonder about EWC though. Can you point me/link to your fungal compost? that sounds cool.

"Are mycorrhizal fungi present in composts?

Mycorrhizal fungi are not present in composts unless the compost contained plant roots. If the compost has been heated from microbial activity, then the mycorrhizal fungi may have been killed."

http://www.agbio-inc.com/mycorrhizae-faq.html
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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NaturalFarmer said:
If the fungal compost has the roots of infected fungi than you are good, but I don't think the spores will live through thermal composting, I wonder about EWC though. Can you point me/link to your fungal compost? that sounds cool.

"Are mycorrhizal fungi present in composts?

Mycorrhizal fungi are not present in composts unless the compost contained plant roots. If the compost has been heated from microbial activity, then the mycorrhizal fungi may have been killed."

http://www.agbio-inc.com/mycorrhizae-faq.html
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I do compost my roots, but in my thermal compost. Ill occasionally add some recycled soil into my worm bin if it gets too wet, and that has old roots in it. So maybe there's some in there...but probably not from the sound of it.

My fungal compost is collected guerilla style! Living in Michigan, even in the city, there's lots of little pockets of woods. People can't hunt in city limits so the woods in those areas are pretty much untouched except the occasional pack of drinking teenagers. I go into the woods with a couple friends, some rakes and shovels, and five gallon buckets. Find a spot where a nice layer of leaves is built up. Rake away the leaves, underneath ill usually get a nice five to seven inch layer of fluffy broken down forest floor compost.

On my 2 acre lot that I compost on I have a 30 foot tall pile of shredded wood that I mulched with a chipper before it snowed (thank you local tree cutters for the donations), the lot is currently inaccessible with the snow unfortunately or Id snap some pictures for you. Ill post some once the snow melts and the lot is accessible again. But the idea is, I add no nitrogen to this pile. I don't turn it. I just let fungi and nature do the work at the bottom. Harvest my compost from the bottom and just keep adding fresh shredded wood and leaves on top. I haven't been able to enjoy the fruits of labor from this effort though. Probably won't for a year or more really.

I can't access my fungal compost in the winter time. Seeing how my plants do in those months when I'm only loading them with bacterial compost from my worm bins (just as well as when I do). And with everything I've read on annuals...I like having fungal dominant stuff mixed into my soil, because the more diversity i figure the better...but I don't necessarily know that I need it. At least for my cannabis plants and veggies. If we were talking perennial fruit bushes or other varieties I would make different choices.
 
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