Texas officer killed drug raid

SunnyJim said:

Of course, guns are illegal where I live, so there isn't that immediate fear of death by gunshot when someone enters your house, irrespective of the time of day. People here would have to physically attack

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Remember that just because guns are illegal doesn't mean that criminals don't have them or are unable to get them.

The Texas cop was probably gung ho and look where that got him.
He was probably itching to shoot someone up inside the residence and he got it instead.

the more militarized the government becomes the deadlier the consequences. if you want to bust into someone's home don't expect coffee and donuts.

Thats what happens when you do a no knock raid. no sympathy from this cat

The officer should have been more prepared for a "no-knock" entry....lol....a tactical entry with two or more officers,a vest even a quick shout out.. POLICE!!!!...as he kicked the door in might have saved his life.He has an ace attorney and wont do much time.Now he has to live with this for the rest of his life.....its just not right and something will give..hopefully for the better.

hydrogreen65 said:

Texas also has law that if the officers don't identify themselves prior to entry, then occupant has right to defend their selves.

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oh, Oh, OH, that changes things a bit. No knock is wrong on so many levels.

Dannoo93 said:

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/dec/24/texas_deputy_killed_dawn_noknock

So what you all think
Dannoo93

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I think cops need to quit kicking down doors. Anyone would have done the same thing, criminal or not.

Maybe the cops could try this: Just wait for the guy to leave his house and arrest him. Then search the house with no resistance or gun play.

Sad part is this is not going to happen. Cops love kicking down doors, it lets them impose fear on the public, flex their nuts, and gives them one hell of an adrenaline rush.

This "war on drugs" is just a modern day civil war. This is not the first casualty and it won't be the last. The sad part is, this man's family will blame the drug dealers for his death when it was really the police's fault.

RPM371 said:

Unfortunately he's in Texas and has zero defense. He was growing which means any/every weapon in the house is illegal and escalates the crime. He also has 2 prior convictions which makes this a habitual crime. As wrong as it is, he's got a huge uphill battle to stay off Death Row.

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You clearly know nothing of Texas law.

you go busting down someone's door while they're asleep - you get shot - you deserve it. doesn't matter if you're a cop or a criminal. Some cops don't seem to realize that their badges aren't bulletproof vests.

A few plants and some LEGAL guns ? Nice detective work there guys....

And this is where our tax dollars are going ? To "critical" investigations like this ?

What a joke...JUST SAY NO - TO THE WAR ON POT !

Its easy to blame the officer but its not like this raid was personally his decision. Shitty situation all around, its the crooks behind the war on drugs that are to blame for this tragedy. IMO...

Bombur said:

Its easy to blame the officer but its not like this raid was personally his decision. Shitty situation all around, its the crooks behind the war on drugs that are to blame for this tragedy. IMO...

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^^^^^^???????? Ya I bet it was he was against it...................

The cannon fodder don't get much of a say. Try telling your lieutenant "no".

Bombur said:

Its easy to blame the officer but its not like this raid was personally his decision. Shitty situation all around, its the crooks behind the war on drugs that are to blame for this tragedy. IMO...

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It was his desicion to kick the door in, it was also his desicion to not identify himself. Over what? Some pot plants.

The choice to use force to enter is used when there is real danger to a innocent person. I can gather zero justification for forceable entry from what is stated in that article.

Just to question the reporting of the story - how does a felon have 'legal' guns? Not judging - I got a pretty extensive record myself, but that part just doesn't make sense. Possession of a firearm for a felon can bring 5 years alone. Did something change or is this just crappy reporting?

p.s. as far as the story, if true, if this is not a perfectly legitimate case of self-defense I don't know what is (regardless what the gun laws are)

p.s.2. the cop is not necessarily at fault either - just following procedure, if any single person can be pointed out as responsible it's the judge..

Red1966 said:

You clearly know nothing of Texas law.

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Guess again, Skippy.

slowbus said:

^^^^^^???????? Ya I bet it was he was against it...................

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I'm guessing that busting down the door of an armed felon with a criminal record wasn't on his wish list.. if you choose to believe he got his jollies by endangering his life then go for it. But if you think he was the one who made the call to do the raid, you're out of touch.

Maybe if his fat ass lost some weight he wouldn't have gotten hit. I doubt the homeowner even had to aim. Serves the cop right, don't bust into someones house based on HEARSAY and expect them to not fire back.

Bombur said:

I'm guessing that busting down the door of an armed felon with a criminal record wasn't on his wish list.. if you choose to believe he got his jollies by endangering his life then go for it. But if you think he was the one who made the call to do the raid, you're out of touch.

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I'm saying yes,it was on his list.He is working as a cop by choice.He isn't forced to be on the raid team.He coulda chose traffic,lol.I never said/thought he was the one that made the call,But what I'm saying is,I bet he wasn't against it

I have to wonder why the first cop in was so fat as to make such an easy target? SWAT is usually a political position in many jurisdictions I know, but how could that tub be leading?

But it's Texas, so homeowner is looking at life in jail and a few months of guard beatings for being a "cop-killer". Ahhh America, land of the free.