TGA and Sensi hempy's...

rickymac21 said:

@Youknowthekid : thanks for your thoughts but I've tried soil (ffof) and their nutes, didnt care for it. I think hydro/passive hydro is the only way to do it. And honestly despite your obnoxious taunting of my nutrient mix, my plants are healthy and growing. And as for ph'ing the solution, i dont need to with my mix. It mixes at a consistant 6.1~6.2. I hope your no ph adjustment comment was referring to soil plants though.

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My bad I posted late and thought you were using soil for some reason. Definitely need to PH if you're running hempy buckets- first I've seen of these and I'm definitely interested. My advice on nutes was also with the soil assumption; don't have such a low threshold for 'obnoxious' on internet forums, especially when putting your art on exhibit asking for criticism

[QUOTEyouknowthekid!;10279993]My bad I posted late and thought you were using soil for some reason. Definitely need to PH if you're running hempy buckets- first I've seen of these and I'm definitely interested. My advice on nutes was also with the soil assumption; don't have such a low threshold for 'obnoxious' on internet forums, especially when putting your art on exhibit asking for criticism [/QUOTE]

Oh no i understand the confusion now.. It just appeared that you implying my plants could be better in soil, and giving me soil growing advice. Which would be fine if this were a soil grow. Being a hempy grow i just found it irrelevant and insulting in a way.

But now that you said you werent aware it was a hempy grow (Even though its in the title haha) i understand your previous post.

Either way you should stick around for the show.

Super stoned at 3 am >.< this is what happens lol. I am very interested in the hempy style though. Couldn't agree more about staying away from soil. I ran H&G once with clones from old, irritated ass moms that hermied and still got amazing results despite some seeds. Next time I pop beans they're going into plugs of some sort and I'll only keep the best in soil as a mother, rest into buckets w/ coco or hydro for sure.

youknowthekid! said:

Super stoned at 3 am >.< this is what happens lol. I am very interested in the hempy style though. Couldn't agree more about staying away from soil. I ran H&G once with clones from old, irritated ass moms that hermied and still got amazing results despite some seeds. Next time I pop beans they're going into plugs of some sort and I'll only keep the best in soil as a mother, rest into buckets w/ coco or hydro for sure.

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If yo ur interested in hempy you should put a mother plant into a couple hempy buckets. You water it just like soil but get hydro growth. This is my first go around with hempy, and although the plants are still in 20 oz cups, im impressed with the simplicity and over all growth.

Alright so here's another quick update.
I finally got around to making the 2gal hempy buckets. I still used 100% perlite so no change there. I also moved them into the "veg room" which also happens to be a bathroom. haha. Not ideal but my actual veg room is located in the garage and honestly the temperature just fluctuates too much out there. Even though I insulated the room I still can't get the temp warm enough during lights off, and can't get it cool enough during lights on. And when summer hits it will be a nightmare. That being said, I relocated to the bathroom. It'll do for now till I can afford some proper environment controlling devices.

Anyways. on to the pics.

1. Nothing exciting. This is my dimmable 400w lumatek ballast. It's been working for 2 years now, and I normally veg with lights on 24/7. Although I just put it on a timer (19/5) for these plants.


2. Here's the group shot of the bunch. If you noticed not all the plants are there, that's because they're not. I decided to get rid of the 2 autoflowers simply because of room and they were freebies anyways. I'll just give them to a friend so they don't go to waste. But what we have here are the 3 Agent Orange, 3 Ace of Spades, 2 Jack Herer, and 1 Jack the Ripper.


3. Another group shot of the plants. Here's the strains from left to right in the back/top row. Jack the ripper, agent orange, agent orange, agent orange, ace of spades. BOTTOM ROW left to right.: Jack herer, Jack herer, Ace of spades, Ace of spades.

4. After some thought on what to do about training I just decided to supercrop all of them. So this picture is just showing the aftermath.


5. A closer look at one of the Agent orange plants after being supercropped. This one is most definitely going to be a bushy one. Can't wait to see the BUDS !!!


6. And here's a really close look at the break of another Agent Orange... Just in case there is someone looking at this wondering what supercroping is, well here it is. It's simply bending the stem/branch until is partially snaps, but not to the point that the branch falls off. This does cause stress, but that's what you want. The plant notices this break and quickly sends it's energy into repairing the broken stem/branch. When it heals, the plant will have created a "knot" where the break occurred. This knot will become what they call a "feeding Highway" for the plant. This basically means that the knot you created allows more water and nutrients to pass through the stem/branch increasing any growth above the knot. In return, you get bigger buds. You science gurus, feel free to elaborate if you feel necessary.


7. Another Supercrop picture of Jack herer. You'll also notice some discoloration of the leaves, which is becoming a problem in a few other plants. The pictures below will show that.

8. You can see the brown/yellow spotting on the edge of the leaf here.


9. Again with the brownish/yellowish spots.


10. This leaf seems to be a bit more severe. This picture and the one directly above are from the same plant. This picture below though seems like nutrient burn to me, no?



From what I can tell I would say this is either slight nutrient burn, or early stages of a Magnesium deficiency. I'm leaning more towards the Magnesium deficiency as I'm only giving the plants 850ppm solution. Anybody have any input on this? I'd really appreciate it.

I guess another thing to be pointed out is that most , if not all of the leaves with spots are on the lower portion of plant.

If it is a mag deficiency then I'll most likely go get some GH calmag and see what a couple treatments of that does.

Fantastic looking plants. I always get slight mag defs in mid veg/lower strength with maxibloom/straight perlite, but it usually rights it's self when I hit full strength. In fact I actually never bothered to supplement calmag after a while of growing the same strain. Honestly my old setup plants looked nearly identical to yours with the slight spotting. Fear not it will likely clear up, but if it progresses I would suggest 1.5 ml a gal of calmag and bump it up to 2 if the problem persist.

I've since moved to canna nutes/coco DTW and the plants look pretty much flawless from start to finish, but the cost is much greater.

Bucees0285271 said:

Fantastic looking plants. I always get slight mag defs in mid veg/lower strength with maxibloom/straight perlite, but it usually rights it's self when I hit full strength. In fact I actually never bothered to supplement calmag after a while of growing the same strain. Honestly my old setup plants looked nearly identical to yours with the slight spotting. Fear not it will likely clear up, but if it progresses I would suggest 1.5 ml a gal of calmag and bump it up to 2 if the problem persist.

I've since moved to canna nutes/coco DTW and the plants look pretty much flawless from start to finish, but the cost is much greater.

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Thanks Bucees. I appreciate the kind words. But your probably right about the spotting. Im sure itll straighten itself out.

Plants are looking great, definitely starting to bush out. When do you find it's best to supercrop to get the biggest benefits? It seems like folks on here do it mid-veg and never do it in flower. I think I've done it in flower up to week 4 or so which I'm sure could have had negative effects.

Bucees said:

I've since moved to canna nutes/coco DTW and the plants look pretty much flawless from start to finish, but the cost is much greater.

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I'd have to agree with Bucees on Canna, or even H&G which is closely related to Canna. The production and simplicity provided by sticking to their feed recipe is just friggin unreal.

youknowthekid! said:

Plants are looking great, definitely starting to bush out. When do you find it's best to supercrop to get the biggest benefits? It seems like folks on here do it mid-veg and never do it in flower. I think I've done it in flower up to week 4 or so which I'm sure could have had negative effects.



I'd have to agree with Bucees on Canna, or even H&G which is closely related to Canna. The production and simplicity provided by sticking to their feed recipe is just friggin unreal.

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1. Thanks buddy. I honestly dont think there is a specific time to do it, just times when not to. I wouldnt do it until the plant is old enoigh, at least 3 or 4 nodes. If its from clone id say at least two weeks after planting juat allow roots to grow. I would never do it in flower simply because of the stress.

2. I agree that those nutrient companies are probably better. But just too expensive for the slightest increase of production. If it costs someone $150 a run with nutes but only get an extra ounce or so, opposed to $40 a run, you really arent making a big difference. Those are just guestimations though so i could be way off. But thats how i see it.

rickymac21 said:

2. I agree that those nutrient companies are probably better. But just too expensive for the slightest increase of production. If it costs someone $150 a run with nutes but only get an extra ounce or so, opposed to $40 a run, you really arent making a big difference. Those are just guestimations though so i could be way off. But thats how i see it.

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You are right about price vs slight increase in production. It's the reason I used Maxibloom in the first place. I spent a lot of time extensively researching passive hydro and decided to go as cheap as possible in case I failed. I probably would have never moved away from Maxibloom, but to be honest these days I can easily afford Canna products and was just bored to death with the same routine. After my first full run using coco and A+B I certainly noticed the cost increase, but never once found myself chasing a def. I was rewarded with some of the happiest and best producing plants I had ever grown. If I were ever in a place where I had to budget again I would have absolutely no problem starting the Maxibloom routine over. It's a quality nutrient that I promote whenever given the chance.

Bucees said:

You are right about price vs slight increase in production. It's the reason I used Maxibloom in the first place. I spent a lot of time extensively researching passive hydro and decided to go as cheap as possible in case I failed. I probably would have never moved away from Maxibloom, but to be honest these days I can easily afford Canna products and was just bored to death with the same routine. After my first full run using coco and A+B I certainly noticed the cost increase, but never once found myself chasing a def. I was rewarded with some of the happiest and best producing plants I had ever grown. If I were ever in a place where I had to budget again I would have absolutely no problem starting the Maxibloom routine over. It's a quality nutrient that I promote whenever given the chance.

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Without a doubt. I have had my fair share of screw ups when it comes to feeding. I always end up with a deficiency of some sort. So i decided to go with the k.i.s.s. method. Ill probably stop using my roots excel in a couple weeks when the roots are developed. And ill only use the protekt evrry 3rd watering. So its pretty straight forward. i do have some AN overdrive for flower but again, that will only be used for 3-4 waterings later in flower.

Eventually I'll probably try another full line. Most likely I'll go with house and garden. Until then, I'm fine with the simplicity and cheapness. Haha.

By the way, a lot of the plants are already bouncing back from the supercropping. I'll. Have to snap a few pictures later on today for you guys.

Side note for anyone just joining the thread, plants will be switched to 12/12 in roughly 2 weeks!!! Stick around and leave some feedback.

rickymac21 said:

1. Thanks buddy. I honestly dont think there is a specific time to do it, just times when not to. I wouldnt do it until the plant is old enoigh, at least 3 or 4 nodes. If its from clone id say at least two weeks after planting juat allow roots to grow. I would never do it in flower simply because of the stress.

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Ya I foolishly super crop things down up to 4 weeks into flower to maintain a nice canopy when the most I should be doing is just tying shit to the screen.

As far as nutes go I definitely support the kiss method, it's the longest standing and it's what all the vets did to get to a very nice reliable and productive recipe. Still, kids these days will just go ahead and spend all that money on miracle soups! Normally results aren't worth it, BUT, with H&G it just is. I ran 8 dwc buckets under 2 6's in a 5x8 space. The clones were chopped off old ass irritated mothers so they were pretty much going to hermie out from the start which they did... STILL, I had to chop down 2 of the 8 because with the unreal growth I got only 6 would fit in that large space; I also had to trim canopy over 4 times to maintain a good photo-zone! When all was said and done I had 6 girls that were green and plump from start to finish with 50% more yield in that space than ever before, all off raggedy ass hermie clones bahahaa.

When I first bought FF for soil.. that's when I should have done my reading like a good boy and went KISS! Luckily with Hydro the same consumer mentality didn't get me in trouble. The H&G line is unreal the way it works, it isn't just a mixed together chem soup. It's honestly a lot of weird synthetics that mix with their bene's to make this perfect root zone environment. Even my water was like 75F but the roots excel simply eats root rot

Not to rant on about H&G too much.. just happy to mention my one and only hydro run. Very excited to give soilless a second run in the future, although in coco H&G is definitely way too much since there's way more DTW for sure.

@ youknowthekid. Good to hear it worked well for you. I know I've read countless posts of people aaying how good House and Garden is. The guys at the local hydro shop always try to get me to buy it as well.

rickymac21 said:

@ youknowthekid. Good to hear it worked well for you. I know I've read countless posts of people aaying how good House and Garden is. The guys at the local hydro shop always try to get me to buy it as well.

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Haha sounds like my shop guy too. I told him after I was done with my Canna experiment I would try H&G for shits and giggles. I'm pretty sure it is cheaper than Canna also. BTW I don't think I commented on how nice your supercropping job was. Looks fantastic. I've never supercropped before but use LST extensively with great success.

[Startecees;10293074]Haha just like my shop guy too. I told him after I was done with my Canna experiment I would try H&G for shits and giggles. I'm pretty sure it is cheaper than Canna also. BTW I don't think I commented on how nice your supercropping job was. Looks fantastic. I've never supercropped before but use LST extensively with great success.[/QUOTE]

Yea man, sometimes those guys are just a little too salesman like. Its hard to tell when they sincere or just blowin smoke up your a**. But whatcha gonna do, everyones gotta make a living somehow.

But thanks buddy, I thought the plants took to it
very well. They've already Started to bush out a little more. If i end up with more than 6 females I'll be pressed for space . I need myself a net.
Lst is great too though, definitely a good route to go if you have a short veg period.
You know what im pissed about though. The like button is still disabled !!!!

Yea I really miss the like button. The reputation thing is flaky. Plus I like having notifications in the form of likes. Hah.