That's it. It's no longer "flushing" for harvest it's now "starving" for harvest.

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/409622-truth-about-flushing.html#post5323751
Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing."
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See even this guy without liking the idea of "starving" the plant wants to reduce the ammount of nutrients added in the end, by lowering it slowly. That's the same thing as flushing them but just a slow process doing the same thing. So, you can either flush them for a week and act like a prissy girl worrying about "hurting" a plant that may actually enjoy being flushed or "murdererd". Think about all the weird ass people, how do you not know that marijuana plants are kinky as shit and like that type of thing?
 
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althor said:
From my experience, seems like the plant hits a peak nutrient usage around 6 weeks in...
So by the 6th week of flowering I am feeding it the strongest. After that 6th week peak feeding I start backing off, lowering my mix until near the end when I no longer need it. At that point I give it a good watering, I said 10 days earlier, but really for me its 1 week prior to my estimated cut date. I always see a spurt of new growth after the 'flush' so if it stresses it, I am not sure how. By the time the water dries out in the soil (which is always 4-5 days) its almost cutting time, so I dont water it, throw it into darkness and cut it 48 hours later.

My leaves are still green when they come out of the 48 hours of darkness. Sometimes they are still standing up straight, sometimes they are drooped over.


I have done both ways with the same strains several times no flushes, no dark period. To be completely honest I cant tell much of a difference either way. Doesnt seem to hurt it at all, not sure if it helps it at all. Scientifically they say that thc is highest during dark cycle, so I will continue my 48 hours of darkness either way. Since the flush doesnt hurt it at all, I will continue to flush it. It certainly hasnt hurt it at all.
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I do the same except for feeding plain water and the 48hrs of dark thing. Nutes are gradually backed off as the plant desires less toward the end, but that's just natural. I'm in dwc, so salt buildup is non existent for me. I guess if I were in soil or similar, I'd flush for excess salt in the medium, but gradually throughout the grow.
 
smokinrav

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Salt buildup happens in soil only if you are overfertilizing to begin with. And how is salt buildup an issue with buds nearing harvest anyway, besides being detrimental to the plants overall health? Salt builds up in the buds?

I do believe flushing has a place in the grow room, to correct mistakes, to address unknown or fix resistent problems, even a day or three before harvest I won't feed them if I think they need watered. But this has stetched out to growers refusing food for the 1/3 of the grow cycle of their plants. At some point, yelling "Flush" to everyone for every problem and for every harvest, is very detrimental to our yields.
 
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You're still not getting it. Feeding with plain water is good to correct nutrient imbalances. Pre-harvest flushing (what you're talking about) is feeding with plain water to "wring out" nutes from the plant preventing the chem taste, which is a myth. Lowering the nutes before harvest is NOT flushing, it's called growing properly. No strain wants full strength nutes all through the end.

x420xColtonx420x said:
See even this guy without liking the idea of "starving" the plant wants to reduce the ammount of nutrients added in the end, by lowering it slowly. That's the same thing as flushing them but just a slow process doing the same thing. So, you can either flush them for a week and act like a prissy girl worrying about "hurting" a plant that may actually enjoy being flushed or "murdererd". Think about all the weird ass people, how do you not know that marijuana plants are kinky as shit and like that type of thing?
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Fertilizer salt buildup happens too if you're not over feeding. I grew in straight perlite before and got a ton of runoff every feeding and still had some buildup. I guess it depends what your medium is and how the salts bind with the medium.

smokinrav said:
Salt buildup happens in soil only if you are overfertilizing to begin with.

I do believe flushing has a place in the grow room, to correct mistakes, to address unknown or fix resistent problems, even a day or three before harvest I won't feed them if I think they need watered. But this has stetched out to growers refusing food for the 1/3 of the grow cycle of their plants. At some point, yelling "Flush" to everyone for every problem and for every harvest, is very detrimental to our yields.
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Capt. Stickyfingers said:
You're still not getting it. Feeding with plain water is good to correct nutrient imbalances. Pre-harvest flushing (what you're talking about) is feeding with plain water to "wring out" nutes from the plant preventing the chem taste, which is a myth. Lowering the nutes before harvest is NOT flushing, it's called growing properly. No strain wants full strength nutes all through the end.
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Yeah man, it's pretty much the same thing with a little twist. Either way it's better than feeding full strength through the end of it's life cycle.
 
smokinrav

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Please. I never said you don't adjust feeding as you get closer to harvest. But nice try at regaining a little face. I said you don't starve your plants before harvest. Starve. As in stop feeding. Don't pretend now you weren't a starving advocate just a few posts ago. lol.
 
nick88

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Isn't nitrogen the nutrient most responsible for salt build up in soil? Just wondering, cause if so, there's very lil at all in flower nutes.
Not saying it's true, just trying to learn more. Always room for more knowledge and ideas as long as we keep an open mind.
 
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smokinrav said:
Please. I never said you don't adjust feeding as you get closer to harvest. But nice try at regaining a little face. I said you don't starve your plants before harvest. Starve. As in stop feeding. Don't pretend now you weren't a starving advocate just a few posts ago. lol.
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I also said it's the same thing just over time you fuckhead, why are you acting like such a girl today? Man up and quit your bitching! "waaaaaah this bud seems bad even tho it's fine, waaaaah you're wrong and I'm right, I like argueing over hypotheticle situations online and when someone says something different i'll get all angry and mad and start trolling, cause my name smokinrav aka Brittney"
 
paul1978

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Trolls will be trolls....
Anyway. Like with many split opinions we will always have people swearing by their method. I like to flush before harvest mostly to get rid of nitrogen so when plant sucks up all the juices from fan leaves I can admire it in autumn colours. They look so beautifully. From experiments in the past I would say flushing (not starving I.e. I grow in compost so couple of days after flush I have some nutes back in the soil) so... flushing does not take away much of the final weight and absolutely nothing from strength of your medicine. But in my opinion makes it smell, taste and burn better.
Now trolls give me some stick for what I just wrote... or maybe we should rather have a smoke and chill out then before arguing again actually try both methods on two clones in identical conditions when we grow next time like I did.
 
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I am a first time grower, I have decided from reading this that I am not going to "flush" but use straight water for 2 weeks and see what happens. I have learned alot on here but I feel I am going to do what I think is best for my plants. I love the statement about learning how to dry and cure and that is what I am the most scared of.
 
^Slanty

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Plain and simple. Don't overfeed your plants(yes people, it is independent for each setup!) and "flushing" would not be in the vocabulary of growing dank! :weed:
 
bluntmassa1

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smokinrav said:
So how does "remnants of fertilizer" in the soil affect the buds? Forgetting all the rest of the rumor bullshit you posted after that.

I asked you for proof, not crap you read on the fucking internet.
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well I don't know what was used for nutes but I had a little bit of weed given to me a few years ago cause it tasted like shit I was told it wasn't flushed the bud looked ok but smelled and tasted worse than the worst schwag I've ever had. I don't really know why it tasted that bad other than being told it wasn't flushed.
 
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bluntmassa1 said:
well I don't know what was used for nutes but I had a little bit of weed given to me a few years ago cause it tasted like shit I was told it wasn't flushed the bud looked ok but smelled and tasted worse than the worst schwag I've ever had. I don't really know why it tasted that bad other than being told it wasn't flushed.
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I smoked a dude's weed that smelled/tasted like wd-40. He flushed religiously.
I think a lot of smell and taste has to do with how it was dried and cured, and where. Dry and cure in a wet basement and it will come out smelling/tasting like a wet basement. Dry and cure in someones house with a distinctive smell (dog,cat,dirty carpet) and I bet the bud will resemble the dirty house. Sure you'll have some of the smell that's supposed to be in the weed, but it will be hidden under the nasty.
 
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i am glad that i use a soil where all this hasnt been an issue. Feeding plants anything other than water and maybe something to correct a def. is all i would EVER do. Kiss simple react if the plants needs it only. As for prpoer curing and drying why not focus all that energy into a sticky on the PROPER drying and curing method?
 
Geronimo420

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Personally i don't rinse, i believe unless you over-fertilize that a slow drying process & a good cure preferably done in a humidor is all that's needed
 
smokinrav

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magoo63 said:
I am a first time grower, I have decided from reading this that I am not going to "flush" but use straight water for 2 weeks and see what happens. I have learned alot on here but I feel I am going to do what I think is best for my plants. I love the statement about learning how to dry and cure and that is what I am the most scared of.
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That is also starving your plants. Do what you wish, but make sure you give the other half of the equation its due. Next grow, feed them normally to harvest and see if you can tell a difference, besides harvesting more weight, of course.
 
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