AlteredBeast
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How bout some third dimension pics?A cross we deamed un worthy
We have really high standards
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subcool
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Name: Jacks Cleaner 2 AKA The Deuce
Nationality USA
Height Tall Lanky Sativa
Weight medium
Age 60-70 Days
Sativa Indica 90/10
This BX of the legendary mother plant Jacks Cleaner is a favorite among collectors of extremely potent hybrids. The strain has none of the Haze flavor of JTR and is a much taller style Sativa plant with a racing buzz that seems to slice through just about any type of high and leave the toker vibrating with a smile on there face. The taste and smell is 100% lemons and the taste is a mouth full of citrus almost like a lemon head candy.
This strain was created for all those in search of a Jacks Cleaner cut for there own head stash but not in the right circles to acquire a cutting. The Deuce as its called among collectors breaks the mold on the classic leafy Sativa we are so used to seeing and unlike Pure Sativas like Dalat, Haze and Thai, The Deuce has copious resin coverage and makes amazing Full melt Bubble that taste like Lemon zest. Do to his heritage consisting of multiple parent strains selection is needed when growing from seed but the Jacks Cleaner variation is easy to select and the less resinous variations are also easy to separate from the pack.
I think Aftec said it best in a E-mail to me:
Sub,
Just a note to tell you how pleased I am with your Jacks Cleaner 2. Man did you get it right when you bx'd this one. I get such a friggin grin and good buzz that I have to say this may be my new TGA favorite.
I got lots of large triangular buds with perhaps the frostiest plants I have ever grown. The yield was incredible and the smell.......total lemons. Fresh lemons, tarty lemons but all lemons. Every watering left me with sticky lemony arms...lol.
1.Phenotypes -All females are lemony sweet to the smell, almost as lemony as the JC, though there may be a few phenotypes with a lighter, lemon smell, probably from the JTR influences. Select the largest yielding female
2.Height-Medium to heavy stretch/ Colas swell late
3.Yield-Medium / Heavy trim work
4.Indoor/ Outdoor
5.Best way to grow- Topped and placed in bud early due to stretch.
6.Harvest Window_8-10
7.Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8.Hybrid- Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X JTR Male
9.High type- Intense, trippy, visual, spacey, pain relief
10.Makes very usual bubble tasting and smelling like lemons
Nationality USA
Height Tall Lanky Sativa
Weight medium
Age 60-70 Days
Sativa Indica 90/10
This BX of the legendary mother plant Jacks Cleaner is a favorite among collectors of extremely potent hybrids. The strain has none of the Haze flavor of JTR and is a much taller style Sativa plant with a racing buzz that seems to slice through just about any type of high and leave the toker vibrating with a smile on there face. The taste and smell is 100% lemons and the taste is a mouth full of citrus almost like a lemon head candy.
This strain was created for all those in search of a Jacks Cleaner cut for there own head stash but not in the right circles to acquire a cutting. The Deuce as its called among collectors breaks the mold on the classic leafy Sativa we are so used to seeing and unlike Pure Sativas like Dalat, Haze and Thai, The Deuce has copious resin coverage and makes amazing Full melt Bubble that taste like Lemon zest. Do to his heritage consisting of multiple parent strains selection is needed when growing from seed but the Jacks Cleaner variation is easy to select and the less resinous variations are also easy to separate from the pack.
I think Aftec said it best in a E-mail to me:
Sub,
Just a note to tell you how pleased I am with your Jacks Cleaner 2. Man did you get it right when you bx'd this one. I get such a friggin grin and good buzz that I have to say this may be my new TGA favorite.
I got lots of large triangular buds with perhaps the frostiest plants I have ever grown. The yield was incredible and the smell.......total lemons. Fresh lemons, tarty lemons but all lemons. Every watering left me with sticky lemony arms...lol.
1.Phenotypes -All females are lemony sweet to the smell, almost as lemony as the JC, though there may be a few phenotypes with a lighter, lemon smell, probably from the JTR influences. Select the largest yielding female
2.Height-Medium to heavy stretch/ Colas swell late
3.Yield-Medium / Heavy trim work
4.Indoor/ Outdoor
5.Best way to grow- Topped and placed in bud early due to stretch.
6.Harvest Window_8-10
7.Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8.Hybrid- Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X JTR Male
9.High type- Intense, trippy, visual, spacey, pain relief
10.Makes very usual bubble tasting and smelling like lemons
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subcool
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Lemon Freeze (JCbx X JCB) Sub.12
Lemon Freeze
JC bx X JCB
This is one Suny worked with on his own. He was so impressed with the size of JCbx and the lemon berry flavor of JCB he decided to kind of mix up two very distinct JC hybrids. The JC brings potency as it does with anything it touches. I am going to have to assume its Vics massive Blueberry thats adding all the size and girth. The smell is Lemon Berry and I think it has a better smell and flavor than JC bx. Its damn sure bigger than JC f1. The buzz is very Sativa and speedy. Its an extremely tall hybrid so make room and grow her with other Sativas. Some Phenotypes may go close to 100 days but the normal is around 70 days. Like Haze she has more than one harvest window. This plant is very similar to the lambsbread I smoked in Negril but grown in better conditions. It also has a similar high to Speed Racer a famous JCB Phenotype.
1) Phenotypes-Medium variation in harvest times and Sativa influence.
2) Height- Very Tall
3) Yield- Very Heavy but all in last weeks
4) Indoor
5) Best Way to Grow- Top and bud early
6) Harvest Window-70-100 days
7) Sativa/ Indica 90/10
Hybrid- Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Blueberry Back Cross
9)High type- Speedy, trippy, intense, paranoid , motivating, pain relief
10) Lemon berry, hash, tart, Lemon Heads candy
11) Nice Big long Colas!
Lemon Freeze
JC bx X JCB
This is one Suny worked with on his own. He was so impressed with the size of JCbx and the lemon berry flavor of JCB he decided to kind of mix up two very distinct JC hybrids. The JC brings potency as it does with anything it touches. I am going to have to assume its Vics massive Blueberry thats adding all the size and girth. The smell is Lemon Berry and I think it has a better smell and flavor than JC bx. Its damn sure bigger than JC f1. The buzz is very Sativa and speedy. Its an extremely tall hybrid so make room and grow her with other Sativas. Some Phenotypes may go close to 100 days but the normal is around 70 days. Like Haze she has more than one harvest window. This plant is very similar to the lambsbread I smoked in Negril but grown in better conditions. It also has a similar high to Speed Racer a famous JCB Phenotype.
1) Phenotypes-Medium variation in harvest times and Sativa influence.
2) Height- Very Tall
3) Yield- Very Heavy but all in last weeks
4) Indoor
5) Best Way to Grow- Top and bud early
6) Harvest Window-70-100 days
7) Sativa/ Indica 90/10
Hybrid- Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Blueberry Back Cross9)High type- Speedy, trippy, intense, paranoid , motivating, pain relief
10) Lemon berry, hash, tart, Lemon Heads candy
11) Nice Big long Colas!
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Neon Super Skunk (NSSK)
I have been growing a Super Skunk for many years as my weight strain. It stays low and compact and has a nice grapey flavor and I have seen 63 ounces from 2k with her. Suny mentioned to me we were lacking in Indicas and wanted to cross Super Skunk with the Black Russian Purple male. He pollinated one SSK mom and we grew out a test batch and OMG. Purple tinged ultra funk. Warning High Odor Content! This is not a stealth plant but the cola formations and number of bud sites is amazing.
Other than Stank her only bad trait is she will not compete with taller strains, she grows low and slow almost growing sideways instead of upwards. It almost has to many fan leaves and we found our selves thinning some fan leaves to allow light onto lower buds.
1) Phenotypes-Dark Green with Purple hues and Maroon finishing leaves
2) ) Height- Short & Thick
3) Yield- Very heavy
4) Indoor
5) Best way to grow- Large topped plants with long veg
6) Harvest Window-60 days
7) Sativa/ Indica20/80
Hybrid- Super Skunk X Blackberry X Ak-47
9) High type- stoney, mellow, chill, body high, potnap
10) Smells like-Skunks and berrys
11) Did I mention it stinks?
I have been growing a Super Skunk for many years as my weight strain. It stays low and compact and has a nice grapey flavor and I have seen 63 ounces from 2k with her. Suny mentioned to me we were lacking in Indicas and wanted to cross Super Skunk with the Black Russian Purple male. He pollinated one SSK mom and we grew out a test batch and OMG. Purple tinged ultra funk. Warning High Odor Content! This is not a stealth plant but the cola formations and number of bud sites is amazing.
Other than Stank her only bad trait is she will not compete with taller strains, she grows low and slow almost growing sideways instead of upwards. It almost has to many fan leaves and we found our selves thinning some fan leaves to allow light onto lower buds.
1) Phenotypes-Dark Green with Purple hues and Maroon finishing leaves
2) ) Height- Short & Thick
3) Yield- Very heavy
4) Indoor
5) Best way to grow- Large topped plants with long veg
6) Harvest Window-60 days
7) Sativa/ Indica20/80
Hybrid- Super Skunk X Blackberry X Ak-479) High type- stoney, mellow, chill, body high, potnap
10) Smells like-Skunks and berrys
11) Did I mention it stinks?
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AlteredBeast
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Gettin close!!!!
AlteredBeast
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Third dimension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I put mine into flower 3 days ago!!
AlteredBeast
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Is this all you got?
subcool
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What would happen if we combined the genes of three ultra potent Elite strains all with very different flavors but similar high types? This is the question I set out to answer when creating our new release The Third Dimension. The strain Apollo-13 has long been a favorite of mine and many other collectors, it has a very unusual taste and an amazing high. Only 500 of these seeds were ever produced and those lucky enough to grow her never let her go. I have focused a good deal of my breeding efforts in back crossing her looking for the best make up to create an Apollo like hybrid in seed form. We have out crossed her with Black Russian, Space Queen and Now a Combination of SQ and Jacks Cleaner. The second part of the make up is Space Queen a BCGA hybrid of Romulan and Cindy99 and delicious cross with a candy/mango flavor.
The final part of this potent three way is of course my famed Jacks Cleaner mom. If it sounds complicated it was and also a lot of work but thanks to the great people at Heads you will be the first to hear about the project.
Having had great success with our cross Jack the Ripper (JC X SQ) we decided to work with a male and pollinate the Apollo as we also use her to test a males attributes in a known cross. This means we have made a lot of hybrids using her and by growing out her off spring we can determine if he is a good male or not lending either potency and or a different flavor. Once the seeds were mature and removed from the buds I allow the outer husk to dry for 2 weeks and then I refrigerate them for 2 nights stimulating winter, this also removes moisture as well. I am going to try something a bit differently here and pretend I am your average Joe Stoner growing some plants and only having room to start 2 seeds. This will narrow my odds considerably getting a keeper mom but its the same real world choices you guys make everyday when it comes to making some head stash of quality meds. I started the seeds in Rapid rooters and transplanted once they established roots. The plants grew very well and under a 400 watt MH grew up fast, I was able to sex one of these at least a full 2 weeks earlier than the other, well that question has been answered and started just 2 seeds we have had great luck and have 2 females. Theyre starting to mature enough that there taking on noticeable characteristics. I dont see a huge difference in the two plants and at 30 days they look pretty much alike.
I am happy so far with this initial run and I can see traits from both mother and father. I mentioned one reason for this cross is to learn how dominant the JTR father we have chosen is going to be. JC parents are known to dominate crosses and Apollo-13 is or base line female since I have grown it out so many times and now also bred with her working this sibling cross will give me a good indication of how the father will react with other moms with use. The plants were transplanted into 5 gallon containers and topped to form a nice bush and when they hit 24 in height they were budded.
These are the signs I am looking for,
Early resin with fast formation of trichome heads and quick maturation of same. This will indicate a Apollo-13 dominant trait. Also I am looking for the weird funk/spice smell A-13 has to shine through and I have that as well. Now I am not testing the strain so much as running it for my own pleasure but while I am at it I will take notes on things to look for in larger generations. One day we will select either Vortex or The Third Dimension to keep as a main TGA strain but for now we can all enjoy the journey. Its no secret I am a big fan of what Mr Soul did and I am just playing along following the path he blazed.
The shorter female I am extremely excited about having started only 2 seeds and finding an Apollo dominant female means to me anyone getting a pack has a very good chance of it as well. At day 28 she already smells like Apollo momma, heavy resin and short structure with thicker stems is dead on target I couldnt wait to see what the second half of bud growth brings to us.
Day 35 and beyond
You never stop learning and the biggest leap forward in knowledge has been working closely with both Apollo and JC as well as the man plant Space Dude. We are learning what is locked inside the JTR male visually at first and by this point by fragrance. First off. The Apollo dominant female we call Jane is spot on the mark with A-13 looks and traits with a beefier frame and an added sweet I cant place yet. Maybe from the Cindy but I was hoping for this exact make up in a female.
At 35 days you can see trichomes that are fully amber just like with A-13 and most are fully formed so were taking speed from the mom and the Bi-father SQ. I added support stakes after this shoot but I could have gone longer A-13 wont stand up at all at this stage and that alone is a huge plus. I will of course stay on top of this so we can see what we have created. I am also happy to announce that unlike some of our gear this is a Sub project and you wont see it going away of running out of stock. Just the outcross of JC x SQ and then selecting a male took over a year I dont plan on loosing my male.
The sativa Dominant female is starting to pack on the buds though and this girl may get huge and hopefully not take forever. She stretched like crazy and I was sure at this point based on smell and resin build up, the buzz will be very speedy with high THC content with virtually no CBDs, the taste to me is kinda metallic to go along with the spicy smell.
As the Indica reached maturity she took on very tropical smells almost like a Pina Colada or some other frozen drink containing fruits and pineapple. The resin continued to expend and she matured very rapidly. I took her at about day 50 and she was just dripping with resin and gave up 2 ounces of dried cured buds. For a plant not even 36 tall finished I am happy with the results and will keep her in my garden.
Here are my smoke notes
Toke 1#
Sampling very small micro nugs so they will be dry. Inhale is smooth and reminds me of a passion fruit drink I used to get in summer camp. Exhale is smooth and also surprisingly sweet. Instant lobe floating and I started smiling the second I exhaled.
Toke #2
Large inhale and crosses my eyes.
Excuse me one second
Subcool does the happy dance across the Room IT TASTE GOOD! I am getting High!
Ok thats what they call a conniption fit I believe.
Toke #3
Our bongs a simple straight glass piece with a large water bin.
I use a simple cheap V shaped 3 hit that I pack about ¾ full and I pull it through in one hit clearing the toob as well. Sticky takes about 3 hits to my one and this is not a diss to Sticky but a reference as to how large a hit I take.
I exhale a cloud
The Buzz on the Indica was soft and pleasant and I sat staring at my pc for quite awhile but I didnt feel the need for a pot nap but ended up doing a photo shoot. I found myself smoking a lot of this strain in the following week even though I have full jars of some of my other favorites.
The sativa took a full 9 weeks to mature and as predicted the buzz was very racey and not to my liking however a good friend of mine that loves the energy head buzz of pure like sativas absolutely loves it. Even though the plant was very tall its total yield was only 3 ounces. I did a smoke test on this one and found the smoke to be flat as airy buds tend to be but after 3 hits I was soaring along jamming to music and smiling my ass off.
No one would complain about its potency and high but its not up to my standards on taste but variety is the spice of life!
The results of my little plant 2 seeds idea went very well and I pulled almost 5 ounces and some amazing bubble hash from these two plants. The Indica has been cloned and topped and is just entering bud as I type this ending. I am happy to give this one my stamp of approval!
The Third Dimension is available at
www.cannaseur.com
www.breedbay.co.uk/auction/index.php
www.Hempdepot.ca
The final part of this potent three way is of course my famed Jacks Cleaner mom. If it sounds complicated it was and also a lot of work but thanks to the great people at Heads you will be the first to hear about the project.
Having had great success with our cross Jack the Ripper (JC X SQ) we decided to work with a male and pollinate the Apollo as we also use her to test a males attributes in a known cross. This means we have made a lot of hybrids using her and by growing out her off spring we can determine if he is a good male or not lending either potency and or a different flavor. Once the seeds were mature and removed from the buds I allow the outer husk to dry for 2 weeks and then I refrigerate them for 2 nights stimulating winter, this also removes moisture as well. I am going to try something a bit differently here and pretend I am your average Joe Stoner growing some plants and only having room to start 2 seeds. This will narrow my odds considerably getting a keeper mom but its the same real world choices you guys make everyday when it comes to making some head stash of quality meds. I started the seeds in Rapid rooters and transplanted once they established roots. The plants grew very well and under a 400 watt MH grew up fast, I was able to sex one of these at least a full 2 weeks earlier than the other, well that question has been answered and started just 2 seeds we have had great luck and have 2 females. Theyre starting to mature enough that there taking on noticeable characteristics. I dont see a huge difference in the two plants and at 30 days they look pretty much alike.
I am happy so far with this initial run and I can see traits from both mother and father. I mentioned one reason for this cross is to learn how dominant the JTR father we have chosen is going to be. JC parents are known to dominate crosses and Apollo-13 is or base line female since I have grown it out so many times and now also bred with her working this sibling cross will give me a good indication of how the father will react with other moms with use. The plants were transplanted into 5 gallon containers and topped to form a nice bush and when they hit 24 in height they were budded.
These are the signs I am looking for,
Early resin with fast formation of trichome heads and quick maturation of same. This will indicate a Apollo-13 dominant trait. Also I am looking for the weird funk/spice smell A-13 has to shine through and I have that as well. Now I am not testing the strain so much as running it for my own pleasure but while I am at it I will take notes on things to look for in larger generations. One day we will select either Vortex or The Third Dimension to keep as a main TGA strain but for now we can all enjoy the journey. Its no secret I am a big fan of what Mr Soul did and I am just playing along following the path he blazed.
The shorter female I am extremely excited about having started only 2 seeds and finding an Apollo dominant female means to me anyone getting a pack has a very good chance of it as well. At day 28 she already smells like Apollo momma, heavy resin and short structure with thicker stems is dead on target I couldnt wait to see what the second half of bud growth brings to us.
Day 35 and beyond
You never stop learning and the biggest leap forward in knowledge has been working closely with both Apollo and JC as well as the man plant Space Dude. We are learning what is locked inside the JTR male visually at first and by this point by fragrance. First off. The Apollo dominant female we call Jane is spot on the mark with A-13 looks and traits with a beefier frame and an added sweet I cant place yet. Maybe from the Cindy but I was hoping for this exact make up in a female.
At 35 days you can see trichomes that are fully amber just like with A-13 and most are fully formed so were taking speed from the mom and the Bi-father SQ. I added support stakes after this shoot but I could have gone longer A-13 wont stand up at all at this stage and that alone is a huge plus. I will of course stay on top of this so we can see what we have created. I am also happy to announce that unlike some of our gear this is a Sub project and you wont see it going away of running out of stock. Just the outcross of JC x SQ and then selecting a male took over a year I dont plan on loosing my male.
The sativa Dominant female is starting to pack on the buds though and this girl may get huge and hopefully not take forever. She stretched like crazy and I was sure at this point based on smell and resin build up, the buzz will be very speedy with high THC content with virtually no CBDs, the taste to me is kinda metallic to go along with the spicy smell.
As the Indica reached maturity she took on very tropical smells almost like a Pina Colada or some other frozen drink containing fruits and pineapple. The resin continued to expend and she matured very rapidly. I took her at about day 50 and she was just dripping with resin and gave up 2 ounces of dried cured buds. For a plant not even 36 tall finished I am happy with the results and will keep her in my garden.
Here are my smoke notes
Toke 1#
Sampling very small micro nugs so they will be dry. Inhale is smooth and reminds me of a passion fruit drink I used to get in summer camp. Exhale is smooth and also surprisingly sweet. Instant lobe floating and I started smiling the second I exhaled.
Toke #2
Large inhale and crosses my eyes.
Excuse me one second
Subcool does the happy dance across the Room IT TASTE GOOD! I am getting High!
Ok thats what they call a conniption fit I believe.
Toke #3
Our bongs a simple straight glass piece with a large water bin.
I use a simple cheap V shaped 3 hit that I pack about ¾ full and I pull it through in one hit clearing the toob as well. Sticky takes about 3 hits to my one and this is not a diss to Sticky but a reference as to how large a hit I take.
I exhale a cloud
The Buzz on the Indica was soft and pleasant and I sat staring at my pc for quite awhile but I didnt feel the need for a pot nap but ended up doing a photo shoot. I found myself smoking a lot of this strain in the following week even though I have full jars of some of my other favorites.
The sativa took a full 9 weeks to mature and as predicted the buzz was very racey and not to my liking however a good friend of mine that loves the energy head buzz of pure like sativas absolutely loves it. Even though the plant was very tall its total yield was only 3 ounces. I did a smoke test on this one and found the smoke to be flat as airy buds tend to be but after 3 hits I was soaring along jamming to music and smiling my ass off.
No one would complain about its potency and high but its not up to my standards on taste but variety is the spice of life!
The results of my little plant 2 seeds idea went very well and I pulled almost 5 ounces and some amazing bubble hash from these two plants. The Indica has been cloned and topped and is just entering bud as I type this ending. I am happy to give this one my stamp of approval!
The Third Dimension is available at
www.cannaseur.com
www.breedbay.co.uk/auction/index.php
www.Hempdepot.ca
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AlteredBeast
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Subcool I can't say it enough. Thank you. I love your work.
nathenking
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Im speechless and inspired.... Thanks for the thread sub.....
Mindmelted
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Cool Thread...
Mindmelted
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Damn that is killer looking
s.c.mtn.hillbilly
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I'm looking for info on astroboy...I have some astro queen, and if I remember, it's got a-13 in it?...I'm crossing it to the vortex, and looking for the most sativa pheno.
s.c.mtn.hillbilly
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I'm in the process of growing them...the only one I've tried is jc2-'mrs. clean'; which is an instant top 5! it feels like they turned the gravity dimmer switch to about 60%...you just kinda' float around , yet totally alert...and the lemon gush is outta' this world! this would be great crossed to blueberry,for flavor, if you could get one with lemon berry taste-DAMN! the astro queen starts out indica looking, then goes high sativa...in a month I'll know what they smell like...hopefully like watermelon.I was sold on that over spacequeen because I was planning on getting spacebomb, and the apollo 13 aspect.I figured that might be a close strain to vortex to F1, and subsequently to help the bizarre smell of the vortex(I 'm really wondering about what vortex will TASTE like.) most of what I'm growing, I've never even tried. and of course my crosses are just 'cookbook recipes'- not some grown out in the hundreds to isolate whatever...I'm a hack. that's the bottom line on my "breeding". I just cross 'em , and pick out prodigies like mungo jerry...one thing I DO know about subcool from what I'm seeing: he is definitely NOT bullshitting! his stuff is the real deal! anything it touches turns to gold.... like hittin' stuff with the widow- it's a no brainer.
w1ckedchowda
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mmmm the vortex looks yummy.
I seriously can't decide on which strains to run next!
Subcool: If you had to decide for me which strain of yours to grow first, which one would you recommend? I prefer sativa highs, but that's just mainly for the soaring/shit eating grin high I love.
I'd love to try Pandora's Box for this reason, but Space Queen and JTR just look too epic to pass up!