The Cannabis Brain

skunkushybrid

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"Why do plants not like certain people? Now this is true, I have witnessed it. Some people, no matter what they do just can't get their plants to like them. Obviously this could be logically answered in any way you please, but there is some room to suggest that this might be fact."

I have read scientific articles on how plants respond to certain vibrations such as those produced by music. There have been many experiments that have show that classical music, for example, promotes the synthesis of plant proteins and results in healthier plants than controls-including rock music and other, types of music that are less predictable in dynamics.

I've also read about things like chi flow, kundalini energy and chakras. These eastern concepts are gaining more support in the health fields, and even Psychology. Probably the reason why plants don't like certain people is for the same reasons as they don't like certain types of music. They are getting 'bad vibes' from those people in a sense. Have you ever spent time with a miserable person and notice how their 'negative energy' seems to make you feel bad? I'm not trying to make the argument for emotionality in plants, but when talking about 'intelligence' and 'conscious awareness,' I think the idea should be addressed. What are emotions really, but simply physical responses to external stimuli, right? Why is it that we consider the structures and functions associated with emotional cognition/regulation to be 'higher cognitive functions,' when, to a significant degree, the same primitive 'emotional' responses are seen in plants? There's certainly more scientific research needed in this area, not only in plant biology but in Psychology.

Yes, you have out-lined the whole point for me.. thankyou. It often amazes me how we can declare ourselves a superior being.

I know that all life understands death... it understands death which is why ALL life wants to live so much.

I try not to read too much about religion, or ideals, as I much prefer to discover them for myself, which is why I feel I can agree that all life feels vibes.

Thankyou.
 

skunkushybrid

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Sorry skunk I meant no offence by the term 'pot head', I simply meant that the paper is biased in that regard. I am concerned that you genuinely don't seem to see the dividing line between humans and animals though. When you talk about intelligence, in the sense that organisms can learn and remember, that is correct. However, in the human sense, it means to be able to interpret information in a logical way, to have an understanding of how things work and to recognize ones place in the universe. Intelligence does fall into degrees, but it is in two different leagues when it comes to referring them to animals or humans. Plants don't even do things that the lower animals do such as playing, hunting, observing ect. they grow, reproduce and then die. I can't remember the last time I listened to a plant playing a piano sonata, or painting a picture. It makes me laugh how you describe a plant as being 'aware', and that it responds almost with emotion, and then you mercilously cut it down and smoke it. How humane of you.:mrgreen:
Yes the paper is biased in that regard, lot of could be's etc...

Hey, I never said I was humane... lol. I'm a plant killing carnivore... doesn't mean a farmer can't love a cow and give it a decent life before he kills it.

I've always felt an affinity with animals, like a level of understanding and since I started growing I have felt it with plants too. Obviously not on the same level as say a dog, but an affinity all the same. I suppose it comes from knowing they are alive, and I know about vibes. Emotions have power.
 

skunkushybrid

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Plants can see too. They see by judging light quality... so if their light quality is disturbed by a passing cloud, would they know it was a cloud? What if it was slightly heavier shade than normal passing overhead, would they know it was about to rain?

What about when a human enters the area, bends to tend and stroke the plants... would they be aware of his/her presence?
 

Titania

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eh the only thing that irks me about your definition is the part about understanding facts.

Todays fact is tomorrows laugh. What we dare to dream sometimes becomes reality.

Long ago it was a "fact" that the earth was flat.

Long ago it was a "fact" that the heavens revolved around the earth and so forth.
There is a fundamental difference between the way that the fact about the Earth was believed to be flat, or the heavens revolve around the Earth, to the way gravity, relativity, evolution, conservation, of angular momentum ect. was recognised as fact. It was back in the age of enlightenment that most academics and intellectuals started to recognise the importance of facts, logic and reason, and do away with the blind faith and paganism.
 

Titania

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Yes the paper is biased in that regard, lot of could be's etc...

Hey, I never said I was humane... lol. I'm a plant killing carnivore... doesn't mean a farmer can't love a cow and give it a decent life before he kills it.

I've always felt an affinity with animals, like a level of understanding and since I started growing I have felt it with plants too. Obviously not on the same level as say a dog, but an affinity all the same. I suppose it comes from knowing they are alive, and I know about vibes. Emotions have power.

Well at least your good natured, and have emotion and understanding towards all life, which is sacrade. I think we can both agree on that.:mrgreen:
 

Titania

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@Skunk. I was just curious Skunk if you are a carnivore, how do you justify killing an animal that has in your eyes, a conscience, just for the pleasure of it. I say pleasure of it because it is not necessary nutritionally, unless you are living in an area that only has meat, like the Masai in Africa.
 

Unique

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I can’t answer for skunk...but I do have an opinion.
It’s a simple fact of survival.
You say that it is not nutritionally need, when I believe it is. We are fast moving, fast thinking, and highly intelligent beings. Protein is needed to fuel those activities.
It is no different than a lion or jaguar eating meat for survival. Animals such as that are built killers, just like us.
And if you need proof of our necessity to meat as our dietary nutrients, you need to look no further than your smiling face in the mirror (assuming you are not from Alabama and have teeth).
In today’s standards we may not be AS dependant on meat as our source of protein, with the introduction of vitamins and other "boosts" given to product such as milk, but clearly the human race would not be here today if it depended on just plants alone one million years ago.

And as to humans being the "only" intelligent beings....well that’s just egotistical to believe that. With the ability of such animals as elephants to literally remember mundane things for their entire life’s, or to be able to communicate for over 25 miles thru sonic vibrations they create thru the ground....or just a simple discovery channel search you can see the most incredible creatures working as teams hunting millions of fish in large schools. These creatures move at 40 miles an hour in coordination’s that humans could never imagine.
Maybe its not that Humans are "smarter" than animals.....maybe it’s just a case of animals realizing how pointless it is to create such things as "internet", with mundane chatter about pointless topics.
Maybe....just maybe, animals see the truth and meaning in life....and that is, We only get one chance in this life, this isn’t a practice run, make the most of it and have as much fun as you can cuz it only happens once.
Speaking of that, ive wasted enough time on the computer for the day....time to make breakfast for the kids and play a quick game of "THE CLAW" before I get them off to school....always makes for a good day.
 

porchmonkey4life

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Plants can see too. They see by judging light quality... so if their light quality is disturbed by a passing cloud, would they know it was a cloud? What if it was slightly heavier shade than normal passing overhead, would they know it was about to rain?

What about when a human enters the area, bends to tend and stroke the plants... would they be aware of his/her presence?
Oh yeah, most definitely. I was in the growroom a month or so back, taking pics of my plants so I could tell if they were male of female, didn't have a cam, so used the one built into my laptop. Well, it flashes a really bright light when it takes the pic. I took a few close ups as best I could, and hours later-seriously HOURS later, the plant I was photographing had keeled over, drooped all the way over and I had to tie it up. So weird. I changed nothing about the growroom. And days later, a previously strong thriving female had gone hermie. I admit, I was also talking about the plants when I was taking pics, saying stupid shit, like, "You're so a fucking dude. I can see your fucking balls hanging out. You're not going to ruin my sensimilla crop, you horny bastard..." among other things. I really think this plant felt totally abused and objectified. And when I removed him from the ladies, I apologized for hurting him, and asked him to live. I told him he was a beautiful being, and that I want him to live the rest of his life comfortably and happily. Unfortunately I killed him later on cuz I couldn't afford a light to sustain him. But I truly believe he appreciated my kindness and acknowledgement of his being in his last days. :peace: I know I sound like I'm not playing with a full deck of cards, but I am not lying. R.I.P., "The Dude"
 

skunkushybrid

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@Skunk. I was just curious Skunk if you are a carnivore, how do you justify killing an animal that has in your eyes, a conscience, just for the pleasure of it. I say pleasure of it because it is not necessary nutritionally, unless you are living in an area that only has meat, like the Masai in Africa.
I can’t answer for skunk...but I do have an opinion.
It’s a simple fact of survival.
You say that it is not nutritionally need, when I believe it is. We are fast moving, fast thinking, and highly intelligent beings. Protein is needed to fuel those activities.
It is no different than a lion or jaguar eating meat for survival. Animals such as that are built killers, just like us.
And if you need proof of our necessity to meat as our dietary nutrients, you need to look no further than your smiling face in the mirror (assuming you are not from Alabama and have teeth).
In today’s standards we may not be AS dependant on meat as our source of protein, with the introduction of vitamins and other "boosts" given to product such as milk, but clearly the human race would not be here today if it depended on just plants alone one million years ago.

And as to humans being the "only" intelligent beings....well that’s just egotistical to believe that. With the ability of such animals as elephants to literally remember mundane things for their entire life’s, or to be able to communicate for over 25 miles thru sonic vibrations they create thru the ground....or just a simple discovery channel search you can see the most incredible creatures working as teams hunting millions of fish in large schools. These creatures move at 40 miles an hour in coordination’s that humans could never imagine.
Maybe its not that Humans are "smarter" than animals.....maybe it’s just a case of animals realizing how pointless it is to create such things as "internet", with mundane chatter about pointless topics.
Maybe....just maybe, animals see the truth and meaning in life....and that is, We only get one chance in this life, this isn’t a practice run, make the most of it and have as much fun as you can cuz it only happens once.
Speaking of that, ive wasted enough time on the computer for the day....time to make breakfast for the kids and play a quick game of "THE CLAW" before I get them off to school....always makes for a good day.
unique answered for me. i agree that eating meat was our step up the food chain. Our earlier behaviour has also been noticed in chimp's and baboons. Indeed they seem very much to be enemies.

Watching the baboons hunt the flamingos was crazy... just tore it to bits sat there eating it raw like something out of an undead movie. Chimp's like to hunt monkeys, same again, just tear it to bits and eat it raw.

The hunting parties are extremely well coordinated, chimp's favour the pincer movement.
 

porchmonkey4life

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And if you need proof of our necessity to meat as our dietary nutrients, you need to look no further than your smiling face in the mirror (assuming you are not from Alabama and have teeth). hahah that's fucking funny.

What's the "pincer movement"?
 

skunkushybrid

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And if you need proof of our necessity to meat as our dietary nutrients, you need to look no further than your smiling face in the mirror (assuming you are not from Alabama and have teeth). hahah that's fucking funny.

What's the "pincer movement"?
Like a crab claw... it starts out open then closes around what it wants to hold. The pincer movement is a tactic often used (with great success) in warfare.
 

Titania

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I can’t answer for skunk...but I do have an opinion.
It’s a simple fact of survival.
You say that it is not nutritionally need, when I believe it is. We are fast moving, fast thinking, and highly intelligent beings. Protein is needed to fuel those activities.
It is no different than a lion or jaguar eating meat for survival. Animals such as that are built killers, just like us.
And if you need proof of our necessity to meat as our dietary nutrients, you need to look no further than your smiling face in the mirror (assuming you are not from Alabama and have teeth).
In today’s standards we may not be AS dependant on meat as our source of protein, with the introduction of vitamins and other "boosts" given to product such as milk, but clearly the human race would not be here today if it depended on just plants alone one million years ago.

And as to humans being the "only" intelligent beings....well that’s just egotistical to believe that. With the ability of such animals as elephants to literally remember mundane things for their entire life’s, or to be able to communicate for over 25 miles thru sonic vibrations they create thru the ground....or just a simple discovery channel search you can see the most incredible creatures working as teams hunting millions of fish in large schools. These creatures move at 40 miles an hour in coordination’s that humans could never imagine.
Maybe its not that Humans are "smarter" than animals.....maybe it’s just a case of animals realizing how pointless it is to create such things as "internet", with mundane chatter about pointless topics.
Maybe....just maybe, animals see the truth and meaning in life....and that is, We only get one chance in this life, this isn’t a practice run, make the most of it and have as much fun as you can cuz it only happens once.
Speaking of that, ive wasted enough time on the computer for the day....time to make breakfast for the kids and play a quick game of "THE CLAW" before I get them off to school....always makes for a good day.

Sorry I should of clarified I meant red meat, I myself don't eat it because I get enough protein through fish, poultry, eggs ect. Eating red meat really isn't necessary in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle, in fact I heard of a vegetarian body builder! And of course early humans needed to eat meat, but today we have such a diverse range of food that it is unnecessary. Your claim that it is egotistical to believe humans are more intelligent, shows you have the intelligence of an animal. Your quite obviously a Philistine; you can't appreciate what human beings are, or what they have achieved. Yes some material things that humans produce are pointless, but that is completely out weighed by art, music, literature, science, philosophy, I could go on. the things you describe about animals are all physical attributes that they have and/or behavioural patterns that have emerged over time. I agree some of the higher animals display empathy, and emotion, like elephants mourning a loved ones death. But this is far from the complexity of human emotion or understanding. You said that dolphins can travel at 40 mph with incredible co ordination, well, fighter jets can go mach 3 with incredible co ordination as well as fly 20 miles high. Elephants can communicate over 25 miles, well, humans have sent out radio signals 70 light years away. Got any more?:blsmoke:
 

porchmonkey4life

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philistine...been a while since I heard/used that word...you sound like you type with a dictionary/thesaurus at hand sometimes tho...lol
 

porchmonkey4life

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I used to do it...such a sophomoric thing to do...now that I'm comfortable with my vocab, I dont, plus it's a really dorky thing to do, and shows your insecurities. Not that I'm accusing you, tho lol
 

Titania

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I used to do it...such a sophomoric thing to do...now that I'm comfortable with my vocab, I dont, plus it's a really dorky thing to do, and shows your insecurities. Not that I'm accusing you, tho lol
ROFL! You say your not, but I can't help feeling you are LOL:mrgreen: I hate the degradation of the English language, so I try and keep it alive. Jesus, I feel as if I've walked out of some intellectual closet.:blsmoke:

:peace:
 

porchmonkey4life

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haha. I do what I can. thank you for helping me help you :-) yeah, I'm all there with you with the *subversion* hehe of the english language. i hate hearing people say things totally in the wrong way, and when cultural understandings of terms are dumbed down due to misuse.
 

skunkushybrid

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LOL, I assure you I don't. Not that it's a bad thing to browse through a dictionary/thesaurus.:mrgreen:
No it isn't. I keep one right next to my desk. I forget how to spell the silliest things. I hate computer dictionaries though, I'm forever having to click 'add word'.
 

skunkushybrid

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Sorry I should of clarified I meant red meat, I myself don't eat it because I get enough protein through fish, poultry, eggs ect. Eating red meat really isn't necessary in order to maintain a healthy lifestyle, in fact I heard of a vegetarian body builder! And of course early humans needed to eat meat, but today we have such a diverse range of food that it is unnecessary.
Unnecessary... yes, but it is also unnecessary to eat fish... maybe we could evolve to not need to eat at all. Maybe just pop a few pills. Red meat is an important source of iron... oh to hell with doing it in my own words, just read this:
"Meat is the single richest source of iron and zinc and contributes significant amounts of vitamins," says Mary Abbott Hess, a registered dietitian and former president of the American Dietetic Association (ADA).
Meanwhile, a three-ounce serving of beef provides 50 percent of the daily recommended protein, along with beneficial B vitamins. And as for all that saturated fat, according to the ADA "more than half the fatty acids in beef are monounsaturated, the same type of fatty acids found in olive oil and championed for their heart-healthy properties. In addition, approximately one-third of the saturated fat in beef is stearic acid, which is shown to have a neutral effect on blood cholesterol."

Grilling red meat can lead to the formation of cancer-causing heterocyclic amines.

The ADA advises that Americans can eat six ounces of lean red meat five or more days a week and still be eating a diet that could decrease cholesterol levels. Surprisingly, they say lean beef is just as effective as skinless chicken when it comes to lowering cholesterol.
If You Eat Red Meat, What Kind is Best?
There are those in the natural health field who oppose red meat for ethical reasons, and there are those who are fans of red meat ... as long as it comes from quality sources.
Conventional meat is typically raised on corporate factory farms that are inhumane to animals and unhealthy for you. Animals raised in mass factory farms are pumped full of antibiotics, hormones and other drugs (about 70 percent of all antibiotics and similar drugs produced in the United States are given to livestock and poultry), while being fed an unhealthy mix of pesticide-laden grains.
If you are not familiar with factory-farming practices and what that means for the food you feed your family, The Meat You Eat: How Corporate Farming Has Endangered America's Food Supply, is a highly recommended book on the topic. It's a quick read, and one that can help lead to a positive transformation in both a big-picture and personal sense.
When it comes to red meat, choosing sources that have been raised in humane, natural ways --- which means being raised on pasture, or grass-fed -- is the healthier choice, according to many experts. Grass-fed beef has been found to contain less fat and more omega-3 fatty acids, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) and other beneficial compounds compared to grain-fed beef.
What About Cooking and Processing?
Adding to the complexity, the way red meat is cooked and processed can also impact its nutritional value. Processed meats are known to be among the worst way to consume red meats because they contain a number of additives, one being sodium nitrite, a preservative that's been linked to cancer.
Cooking red meat at high temperatures, such as frying, searing, grilling or broiling, is also problematic. It's known to produce heterocyclic amines, chemicals that may cause cancer.
Add up all of the above and you're left with a personal decision that only you can make. While some say you're better off avoiding red meat entirely, others point out its beneficial nutrients, particularly when it comes from a healthy, humanely raised grass-fed animal.---end.


I only eat British beef.
 
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