The fundamental problem that plagues the politics section

Padawanbater2 said:

To: The Democratic National Committee
Re: 2016 GOP presidential candidates
Date: April 7, 2015
Friends,

This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field. Clearly most of what is contained in this memo is work the DNC is already doing. This exercise is intended to put those ideas to paper.

Our Goals & Strategy

Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-in-the-same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:

1) Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election; 2) Undermine any credibility/trust Republican presidential candidates have to make inroads to our coalition or independents;
3) Muddy the waters on any potential attack lodged against HRC.

Operationalizing the Strategy

Pied Piper Candidates There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:

• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.


So that worked out great. Smart people, those HRC team strategists..

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choomer said:

Isn't it racist to assume that every ape refers to only one racial type?

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Padawanbater2 said:

To: The Democratic National Committee
Re: 2016 GOP presidential candidates
Date: April 7, 2015
Friends,

This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field. Clearly most of what is contained in this memo is work the DNC is already doing. This exercise is intended to put those ideas to paper.

Our Goals & Strategy

Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-in-the-same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:

1) Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election; 2) Undermine any credibility/trust Republican presidential candidates have to make inroads to our coalition or independents;
3) Muddy the waters on any potential attack lodged against HRC.

Operationalizing the Strategy

Pied Piper Candidates There are two ways to approach the strategies mentioned above. The first is to use the field as a whole to inflict damage on itself similar to what happened to Mitt Romney in 2012. The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:

• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.


So that worked out great. Smart people, those HRC team strategists..

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Fogdog said:

Yup,

Hey, now that you are here, I'd like to ask you what happened to the $1.8 million that Justice Democrats spent on non-campaign activities? They only gave $18,000 to candidates and have pittance left in the bank. What happened?

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travisw said:

That ego he's so quick to attach to everyone else won't let him answer.

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cuddlesthesheep said:

Sorry. Respect is earned.

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Venus55 said:

I must “respectfully” disagree with that statement.

Respect is not earned. Respect should be something you choose to give. It shouldn’t be based on someone’s personality or achievements or what they may or may not believe in. If someone needs to earn your respect, then you’re not actually respecting that person. You’re respecting whatever achievements they’ve accomplished or talents they may have, which is fine, but that’s completely different to respecting the actual person.

If you want to be respected, then u need to treat people with respect. You don’t need to agree with someone to have respect for them. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with u (and vice versa) is irrelevant. You can still debate and argue topics/opinions whilst being mindful and showing regard towards the other person. By no means is holding a different viewpoint grounds to de-value someone and reason to be rude towards them. It’s very easy and very possible to debate in a “respectful”, polite and considerate manner, without the need to insult, belittle, berate and otherwise “hurt” the other person.

I think that’s what op is trying to get across. You can disagree with anything and anyone to your hearts content, but that does not mean it’s ok to be disrespectful!

Treat people exactly how you wish to be treated. If one is respectful in their argument, then they should “expect” that respect be shown back in return. And if it’s not returned, isn’t it absurd to think one would then go out of their way to “earn” it?

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Venus55 said:

I must “respectfully” disagree with that statement.

Respect is not earned. Respect should be something you choose to give. It shouldn’t be based on someone’s personality or achievements or what they may or may not believe in. If someone needs to earn your respect, then you’re not actually respecting that person. You’re respecting whatever achievements they’ve accomplished or talents they may have, which is fine, but that’s completely different to respecting the actual person.

If you want to be respected, then u need to treat people with respect. You don’t need to agree with someone to have respect for them. Whether someone agrees or disagrees with u (and vice versa) is irrelevant. You can still debate and argue topics/opinions whilst being mindful and showing regard towards the other person. By no means is holding a different viewpoint grounds to de-value someone and reason to be rude towards them. It’s very easy and very possible to debate in a “respectful”, polite and considerate manner, without the need to insult, belittle, berate and otherwise “hurt” the other person.

I think that’s what op is trying to get across. You can disagree with anything and anyone to your hearts content, but that does not mean it’s ok to be disrespectful!

Treat people exactly how you wish to be treated. If one is respectful in their argument, then they should “expect” that respect be shown back in return. And if it’s not returned, isn’t it absurd to think one would then go out of their way to “earn” it?

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cuddlesthesheep said:

Never in my post did I say I only respected people who I agree with. I said respect is earned and I stand by that 100%. No need to twist 4 simple words into an essay.

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choomer said:

Isn't it racist to assume that every ape refers to only one racial type?

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

Respect is earned. people don't "deserve" anything but neutrality. a lack of respect doesn't not imply disrespect, it simply means you haven't earned either respect or disrespect from me yet, and i'll try to treat you neutrally. behave in a proper manner, show that you aren't an asshole, and you start to earn a little respect. but to actually earn my respect, it takes a little more than that.

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

respect is more of what i feel for you...based on your behavior. it takes time to develop. i treat people civilly and politely, until they give me reason to do otherwise. civility and politeness may seem like respect, in a disrespectful world, but they aren't the same.

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Ripped Farmer said:

Had a friend in school, still keep in contact. One of his many nicknames was Ape Boy, because although the kid was amazing at so many things school wasn't something he excelled at. Ape was referrence to him being of less intelligence than the rest of the group. He was mostly white irish with red hair, and the rest white something. I just remember st patricks day he went all out because he could.

Girl at church everyone calls her "monkey" because she climbs the trees every sunday. Yup, she's white af.

It is racist to assume every ape joke refers to one racial type. but takes a great deal of pain and hurt feels for this underlying racism to reach the surface. They didn't have a racist bone in their bodies, but then there is this. The denial stage will be long and painful.

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