The LED wont let me be!

Is this the best LED system i can get for the money?

http://shop.haightsolidstate.com/Haight-Solid-State-PPF-800-LED-Grow-light-PPF-800.htm

anyone know of anything cheaper?

That light provides for both veg and flowering.

And i dont think the 90w version does.

and there is also this one

http://www.hydrogrowled.com//126W-Penetrator-LED-Grow-Light-P45.aspx

These guys are supposed to have a good product. They say they have tested it a lot over the years in different configurations on their own (instead of throwing products out for growers to test). I believe they also give you more watts for your money.

http://www.growledhydro.com/

Heres the best deal i could find... i do know for a fact these are the EXACT same lights being sold for 779$ on another popular LED grow light site.

http://daystarhid.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=54_61&products_id=110

http://daystarhid.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=54_61&products_id=109

The tube is a 5 band and has the extra white in it for vegging. The panel one is more flowering orientated.

It is only 15" by 20" in size.

Yet their coverage area is 4' square?

And the optimal flowering distance from the light is 2-3" during flowering?

Does anybody else see a problem with the physics of this?

The manufacture of the ones i linked states 0-13 FEET from the plant is recommended light height.

led's are all about spectrum. the 2-3' one doesnt even list the color of the led's used!!!!

it even states the led's are automotive rated, then look at the back of the light. no fans! no housing!

I think the first panel is an LED panel used in commercial lighting, NOT designed to be a grow light.

actually now that i read it, i know thats what it is. it has a controller to vary led color output through current limiting. that thing is NOT for growing plants!!!!

these are reffered to as color panels or wall washer in the commercial lighting field.

i have 2 of these http://cgi.ebay.com/New-240w-Lighthouse-Blackstar-LED-Grow-light-3w-LEDs-/290509524870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a3b78f86
and i have a 300w and 2 90w'ers. They seem to work really well for me and are cheaper than alot out there.

cree makes nice diodes..for sure.

only problem with that i see is the video is very misleading.

using a lux meter on led panels with different color ratios is not fair at all.

lux measurement is based around what your eye can see, not what makes a plant grow.

so to use lux as a basis for led panel comparison. well damn, thats just messed up.

and i know that panel is made in china, who are they trying to kid?

not all cree led's are made in usa..they have been aquiring chinese companies since late 2007.

never the less, i am totally unbiased because ive never tried to grow with an LED.

i know they work great for herb walls in resturaunts, and id just as soon leave em to that

kawgomoo said:

cree makes nice diodes..for sure.

only problem with that i see is the video is very misleading.

using a lux meter on led panels with different color ratios is not fair at all.

lux measurement is based around what your eye can see, not what makes a plant grow.

so to use lux as a basis for led panel comparison. well damn, thats just messed up.

and i know that panel is made in china, who are they trying to kid?

not all cree led's are made in usa..they have been aquiring chinese companies since late 2007.

never the less, i am totally unbiased because ive never tried to grow with an LED.

i know they work great for herb walls in resturaunts, and id just as soon leave em to that

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Whos panel? you didnt say. Im guessing you mean the one i posted as i was the last. And ill say that they are not all CREE leds, some are bridgelux. As for knowing where they are made, i wonder how you know? They might very well be made in china, and i would like to purchase US made products. However if he wants leds in that price range he would be hard pressed to find an all american made product that is an actual grow light as opposed to a flashlight. So partially made/assembled in the US is better than nothing. As for your post in its entirety you offer no answer to the guy and absolutely no help, you say ure unbiased right before putting em down. You even admit you have no experience with LEDs. So why do you and people like you continue to post complete refuse in peoples threads seeking more info on the subject? It blows my mind that a forum with the mission of helping one another can be turned into, "you and your gear suck ass and your stupid because i spent $200+ on a light that might last 6 mos" Peddle your wears elsewhere.

Sorry I dont mean to hijack or Hitchike the thread but will the LED have a comparable yield as an HPS ? I like the idea of making or Buying an LED But would like to know more about how well they work. Totally Agree with Dystopian...We shouldnt be here to rip on people,their Ideas or their equipment but make our experiences available to those who need our help.

SLT4x4 said:

Sorry I dont mean to hijack or Hitchike the thread but will the LED have a comparable yield as an HPS ? I like the idea of making or Buying an LED But would like to know more about how well they work. Totally Agree with Dystopian...We shouldnt be here to rip on people,their Ideas or their equipment but make our experiences available to those who need our help.

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No, LED's are not yielding as much as a HPS yet.

SLT4x4 said:

Sorry I dont mean to hijack or Hitchike the thread but will the LED have a comparable yield as an HPS ? I like the idea of making or Buying an LED But would like to know more about how well they work. Totally Agree with Dystopian...We shouldnt be here to rip on people,their Ideas or their equipment but make our experiences available to those who need our help.

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Read Brick Top's post @ LED Debate thread.

I'll go get you the link. here

I figured as much but I am a total noob and have much to learn.I am doing my first grow and was very tempted by LED's but detoured by Their cost and inconsistency of positive Feedback.I decided to stick with what I Saw worked.

SLT4x4 said:

I figured as much but I am a total noob and have much to learn.I am doing my first grow and was very tempted by LED's but detoured by Their cost and inconsistency of positive Feedback.I decided to stick with what I Saw worked.

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You should checkout ChronicDoom's first grow with LED. It was spectacular. No heat issues and all that other bullshit.
LEDs aren't perfect, yet, but they've got a lot more going for them than most people realize.

Viagro said:

You should checkout ChronicDoom's first grow with LED. It was spectacular. No heat issues and all that other bullshit.
LEDs aren't perfect, yet, but they've got a lot more going for them than most people realize.

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I would argue that they might be perfect for smaller grows but really cannot compete with the larger HPS systems right now for larger grows.

They have a niche.

NLXSK1 said:

I would argue that they might be perfect for smaller grows but really cannot compete with the larger HPS systems right now for larger grows.

They have a niche.

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I've seen large rooms full of mature plants under LEDs only.



There's really no limit.

With as quickly as technology evolves and gets better I wouldn't be surprised If LED's make the HID Systems obsolete in 5-10 years.But for now I am going to stick with my T5's and HPS's.It may drain the electric bill a bit but at least they are proven to work with the yield results everyone's after.

SLT4x4 said:

With as quickly as technology evolves and gets better I wouldn't be surprised If LED's make the HID Systems obsolete in 5-10 years.But for now I am going to stick with my T5's and HPS's.It may drain the electric bill a bit but at least they are proven to work with the yield results everyone's after.

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That's your choice, but facts are facts. Many commercial growers use LEDs, alone.

Yields are spectacular, like I mentioned.

Plus, there's no heat signature, which is vitally important to some.

I plan on doing a transition to LED's as soon as the technology is proven and most of all the price comes way down.A couple months ago I looked at a small 12''x12'' unit for almost a grand ? ! Im sure they work great but Im not ready to drop a ton of cash on it until someone works the "bugs'' out of using them.I am by no means a Pioneer but would rather spend money on something that isnt in a experimental stage so to speak.... I'll give it a couple years

Viagro said:

That's your choice, but facts are facts. Many commercial growers use LEDs, alone.

Yields are spectacular, like I mentioned.

Plus, there's no heat signature, which is vitally important to some.

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Yeah, they are mainstream... what was I thinking...

LOL!!