Ogsmokealot
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I have house and garden soil A & B. budXL is supposedly their bloom food but its 4-0-2 for npk. Then shooting powder for the last 3 wks, its 0-9-2.
The Never Ending Abuse of Phosphorous (Bloom foods) to Enhance Flowering
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Ogsmokealot
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Theyre yellowing still. I checked the run off with RO water(32ppm), and it came out to 1320. Im just gonna add water (RO) til I see a drop in ppm from the run off. Then add fish emulsion with RO on next after ppm in soil goes down to about 500. Good idea?
wyteboi
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4-0-2 mixed with the 0-9-2 would be a really good food for this stage of life.
you cant properly check the food (ppm) level from "runoff" so dont worry bout even checking right now.
there is way too much sales pitch on their website for me to gather real info.....
soil
Uncle Ben
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Those NPK values are some of the most wacked out, non-sensible values I've ever heard of. Time to pick up a book on plant nutrition and stop using what the vendors are feeding you. Find something that will get you close to a 1-1-1 ratio with micros and stick with it. They're yellowing because they're not getting sufficient N and if I had to guess, they're probably stunted with premature leaf drop.
Good luck,
UB
watchhowIdoit
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Heres a plants grown with just a store brand potting mix and osmocote plus pre mixed into the medium. Homemade Miracle Grow if you will, just add tap water...started from seed 9/11/11. Just finished transition and starting to flower...KISS folks.......
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Uncle Ben
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Yep, that is all you need. I did this sativa dom 4 cola monster using nothing more than a 12 month 18-5-8 with micros. Colas are so heavy they are drooping even with some support.
Ogsmokealot
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What should I do to diagnose at this point UB? Just give water or continue to feed. I think it may be lockout. Lemme check ph of run off and whats going on there.
watchhowIdoit
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Runoff pH will tell you nothing much usefull and just have you chasing your tale. Lockup and lockout happen far less than most think. Most of the time it a simple deficiency caused by an unbalanced diet and has nothing to do with an element being locked up/out.....
Ogsmokealot
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What u suppose i do then. Feed with just water or the 4-1-1 fish emulsion with kelp?
wyteboi
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like UB said , you are gonna have to spend some time reading on plant nutrition.
like i said , mix the 4-0-2 with the 0-9-2 and that will work until you get the foods you want.
or just use the a an b like the bottle says ..... every single plant is different in certain aspects so it is hard for us to tell you exactly how to use your own setup.
you'll get it right ..... you just have a lot to learn..... we all do.
soil
Ogsmokealot
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Thanks wyte. U da man.
buttrick
Member
I recently switched to the Lucas Formula 1-1-2. and so far ive put it in DWC, Soil, and the ebb. and all ive seen is happy campers. 
for the price and the simplicity, and not to mention seeing how they thrive, im sold. I dont think i will try anything new in the fertilizer area for a long time.
Food for thought on the phosphorus... Cannabis consumes the same amount of phosphorus, as it does calcium. and in a lot of cases more calcium than phosphorus.
And it consumes half as much phosphorus as nitro and potassium
for the price and the simplicity, and not to mention seeing how they thrive, im sold. I dont think i will try anything new in the fertilizer area for a long time. Food for thought on the phosphorus... Cannabis consumes the same amount of phosphorus, as it does calcium. and in a lot of cases more calcium than phosphorus.
And it consumes half as much phosphorus as nitro and potassium
watchhowIdoit
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Ya most make growing MJ seem like a shuttle launch when its more like folding and flying a paper airplane....Mr.Grønn;6563439 said:
Ogsmokealot
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Anyone know if the product Bountea is any good? Npk is 1.4-.9-1.4, its the tablet kind that requires no brewing.
wyteboi
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seems to look good , but there aint much in a box. 25 tabs will only do 25 gallons of water.... it might be a good food but it looks expensive to me.
soil
I guess spending $$$$$ and looking at pretty labels is easier than doing a little research on plant nutrition?
Quit over complicating and making expensive something that is simple and cheap.
Wet
johny1212
Active Member
Exactly! I ran an, h&g and gh. All with the additives and all that shit. I just switched to dyna-gro and things are 10 times better. In flower I am around 1-3-2 npk by adding a touch of grow to the bloom. Simple one part grow and bloom. Almost seems too simple but my babies have never been happier. Also, never follow their feed schedules. They are always too high and cause many issues and some will just cook your plants at recommended doses. Currently I run top drip coco. I am heading the way of uncle Ben and doing organic. The hydro market is just retarded for the most part. Just fancy labels and high prices for shit that would be in a good soil mix.
speero78
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I give you rep+ as well ...thats what the forums are all about 
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I remember now, I wasn't disagreeing with you as much as you thought, but I am old enough to know that I'm not always right. So I decided to try adding more nitrogen during flower after our discussion and was nicely surprised at the results. So I'm still adding some fish emulsion with my bloom nutes and they seem to like it, my leaves haven't gone yellow and fallen off after 6 1/2 weeks of budding, my buds are growing big, fat and solid.